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Stealth Trooper/Black Hole Trooper CRL Spec; Approve or Disapprove
Topic Started: Oct 28 2007, 06:12 PM (6,799 Views)
izzi
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Daetrin
Feb 9 2010, 05:01 AM
In the end it should be something that you as members of the detachment want it to be - it's your det after all.
Yeah. I think it would be a nice project and would be cool to discuss. I think the problem we'd run into right now is that we don't have solid CRLs for most of our approved costumes. We're still debating flat vs gloss on some TX items. How are we going to figure out what the "elite standards" are until those are finished.

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The CRL for the Blackhole Trooper is the official Det standard for now. When I was DL, I held out against starting an Elite status, like the FISD has, as while it raises the bar for accuracy, our CRL should reflect that accuracy. Folks start saying my costume is better than yours, when all of our costumes should be the best according to the CRL.

Case in point - We could force more accurate mic tips (vs the plumbing ones that come with the FX kit), but the only ones that really notice are members, not the general public.

It's up to Crazas (and you, the members) now if everyone wants to seek an Elite status standard, but I didn't like the can of worms it opened.
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It will be a good question for a poll so every member of the Detachment can vote.

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I would like to upgrade my kit a little here and there. Smaller bucket, different belt ect.., but I wouldn't care much about an elite status. I'm not going to wear rubber gloves! lol. But I bring plenty of smiles with the way my kit is now, and as long as I can continue to do that, I'll be happy. :)
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Feb 9 2010, 03:16 PM
Folks start saying my costume is better than yours, when all of our costumes should be the best according to the CRL.

Its a tight rope walk do to this issue, its easy with elite, to be elitist. Its up to the members to be adults about it though. Perhaps the CRL can reflect the optional items that an Elite status contains without labeling it elite. I know it has some optional items listed, but I don't know if it gets down into the specifics that you seen in an elite, since I am not a expert on elite armor
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Just noticed something about the CRL, I see no mention of the Cheek Tears and their acceptable colors. I assume it follows the same rule as the dome indent.


On a side note, I am thinking about going Dark Navy Blue with my new buckets. So the Tube stripes, the ear cap line, is there anything else I am missing that can be done dark navy blue. On that note, can anyone point me in the direction of the ab button arangement for blue/black. Also, I am wondering if I do add those blue accents, what you guys think I should do with my frown? Gray or black? My lenses will be black, not mirrored.

Another side note, are we still deciding if this CRL is approved. Seems like the first post should be updated and the still active poll removed. They are from two years ago.
Edited by Darth Emphatic, Feb 11 2010, 06:46 AM.
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Only things allowed to be navy blue are Tube Stripes, ear lines and undersuit. If you paint some buttons blue, you risk it not being 501st approved.
This is one of the reasons we're looking at making a Visual CRL that is a bit more thorough. It should walk you through things, but it'll be longer.

This CRL is the current CRL, though there are some items that do need to be updated and clarified, hence working on the Visual CRL.

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From the first references (Gambit World from Marvel and some years later, Crimson Empire from Dark Horse) everything was plain black.
Navy blue details came from Hasbro figures (3 3/4 and Unleashed) and Silver lenses and chin from MR Helmets.
The original Blackhole troopers have no such details
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Apr 2 2009, 01:58 PM
Can someone tell me the definitive AB button size/color configuration for the Stealthtrooper? I don't see any info. about it in the CRL.

I've been looking through WIPs, and I see all black, all silver, combination black/dark blue, combination black/silver.
I think the CRL should explicitly state the color options. The post above never received a definitive answer, only that all black is safest.
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Feb 11 2010, 06:52 PM
I think the CRL should explicitly state the color options. The post above never received a definitive answer, only that all black is safest.
Cool your jets, it's being worked on.

To answer the question plainly, as of right now Gloss Black is the only supported color for ALL ab buttons by the CRL. Some may have slipped by the LMO and been approved with other colors and/or finishes, but they should not have been as the CRL is written now.

This CRL probably isn't going to be updated. We're going back through sources and creating a new Visual CRL that will be incredibly detailed and clearly state all acceptable options of colors and finishes for EVERY part of the armor.
Unfortunately, this is going to probably take a couple months to pound out what has sources to support it vs. what doesn't and get them all together in a document that makes sense. Then we also want to add pictures to take out the guess work.

I know this doesn't help right now, but if you start your own costume thread and ask questions there, COS_Vader, Crazas, and any other members that have been around for awhile will be happy to answer.

If I'm assuming too much about this CRL and the Visual CRL, then Crazas, you have permission to flog me.

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Glossy black, plain and simple, there is no reference of other colors, not in the comics, not in collectibles. (not as far as I know)
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Feb 11 2010, 07:56 PM
Cool your jets, it's being worked on.

I don't really think I was being forceful, just making a suggestion. The CRL mentions nothing about ab buttons. Since it seems, from reading through the CRL thread that there is consistent confusion about it, it would not be difficult for any moderator to edit the thread to indicate that current standards are only for all black (or is it gloss or flat black) abs are required? Were talking 15 seconds at most.
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Feb 11 2010, 06:52 PM
I think the CRL should explicitly state the color options. The post above never received a definitive answer, only that all black is safest.
Sorry, I read this as having a demanding undertone. My mistake.

We could use help with the Visual CRL, if you could read it over and make sure the bases are covered with all of your concerns. Having more sets of eyes on that and getting it operational would be more productive than having a moderator constantly editing and adding to this one.

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Feb 12 2010, 08:29 AM
Darth Emphatic
Feb 11 2010, 06:52 PM
I think the CRL should explicitly state the color options. The post above never received a definitive answer, only that all black is safest.
Sorry, I read this as having a demanding undertone. My mistake.

We could use help with the Visual CRL, if you could read it over and make sure the bases are covered with all of your concerns. Having more sets of eyes on that and getting it operational would be more productive than having a moderator constantly editing and adding to this one.

-iz
Hey, no worries and I appreciate the response. I would be more then happy to do what I can. I am trying to get something like this started over at the IOC as well. It really is a great idea and every detachment that isn't should be doing it IMO.
Edited by Darth Emphatic, Feb 12 2010, 06:03 PM.
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Sweet. Let's get this thing knocked out then.
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