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Apr 27 2016, 01:13 AM
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I'll be reading 16, 17, and 18 tonight.
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May 3 2016, 03:44 AM
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Chapter Sixteen
Spoiler: click to toggle I would have liked more detail about him doing his make-up, but I guess I understand that it would not have interested most people much. I liked the bit with talking to the woman that delivers his mail. It's one of those small moments from the movie that I liked a lot.
Chapter Seventeen
Spoiler: click to toggle The shower scene doesn't pack the same punch as in the original movie, but that switch to Eric's perspective was painful. I still like getting to know Marilyn better, and I liked that it went into the good times that Eric had with Aunt Stella. I think it's nice that the author is showing some of his grief and remorse in a more healthy way instead of just creepy and murdery ones.
The chapters are usually so short that I kept expecting a break before the chase scene started.
Chapter Eighteen
Spoiler: click to toggle I do like that the author stops to explain how the references are especially fitting when the movie has a really good one.
Chapter Nineteen
Spoiler: click to toggle I was just going to post the three chapters I already read, but I want to be done with the Richie and Bart ones. One down.
Chapter Twenty
Spoiler: click to toggle I guess we have a little while before Eric finishes off his other co-workers. I saw that the next chapter is a Moriarty one, and I think it was time for a break from the more unlikable characters. The author is better at things that take place in Eric's head than the big moments from the movie, which I think actually helps the book. It makes it more of a supplement to the movie than just a retelling.
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May 6 2016, 12:30 PM
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Chapter Sixteen
Spoiler: click to toggle Lol, some of Stella's old books. The prunes and herbs. That fits her character perfectly. I liked the mailgirl bit a lot. I wish it had went on a little bit longer. The makeup bit was pretty nice and I like that the author took the time to list off like twelve different people who played Dracula. Eric being dead serious about the Horror marathon makes me seem like the most easygoing person on the planet, yikes. Again, I wish the Horror marathon part had went on a little longer. Good choice of shown films though.
Chapter Seventeen
Spoiler: click to toggle Definitely one of the better chapters so far and it managed to make Eric scaring Marilyn in the shower a bit scarier than it was in the film. He only planned to scare her but he had also only planned to scare the prostitute so who's to say what would've happened to Marilyn if Eric hadn't ran away. In a panic, he could've clapped a hand over her mouth to silence her screams, only for her to slip and fall and crack her head open or something, similar to what ended up happening to the prostitute (who got a pretty effective chase/death). For some reason, I always forget that she was the second to die and not the third.
Chapter Eighteen
Spoiler: click to toggle URGH! I hate the guys who keep messing with Eric sooo muuuuuch. I think I hate them even more here than in the movie. I really like Sam though. I actually don't remember him being in the movie.
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May 8 2016, 12:28 AM
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Spoiler: click to toggle I don't know that we actually are, but it feels like we're spending a lot more time with the work bullies than in the movie.
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May 10 2016, 05:10 AM
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Spoiler: click to toggle I noticed that a while ago, actually, Vanessa.
I promise, guys, I will be catching up this week. <3
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May 10 2016, 10:59 PM
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I think we are and that bothers me but at the same time I'm kind of happy about that because I'm sure that kill will be more satisfying. And I'm sure that kill will be happening soon.
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May 11 2016, 12:44 AM
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Chapter Seventeen:
Spoiler: click to toggle This was a good chapter. We are getting more development of Marilyn and the things that go on in her head, and I like that. Plus, we get to see Eric stalking her as Dracula, which is pretty wonderful and creepy. I like that it makes it clear he never meant to kill the prostitute here, and it also paints him as a more sympathetic killer in that he feels guilt. I didn't see a whole lot of that in the film. He seemed like more of a irreverent killer with no real guilt in the film, so it's interesting to see that he has such a conscience in this version of the story.
Chapter Eighteen:
Spoiler: click to toggle Something interesting about this chapter. We see how assholeish his coworkers are, but I like that it shows that Eric isn't the nicest himself. The character of Sam tries to be kind and reach out to him, and Eric is incredibly dismissive of him. I wonder if pre-psychotic break Eric would've given Sam the time of day, or if Eric was always a lot more selfish than he believed himself to be, even when compared to his douchebag bully coworkers.
Chapter Nineteen:
Spoiler: click to toggle Here we get Richie's death, and I liked how well-written this very brief chapter is. It's clear, concise, and short. I like that the chapters are giving clear references to the movies Eric's costumes are from, and that's pretty awesome to me. It shows that whoever wrote this actually either did their research or has a vast knowledge of cinema or both.
Chapter Twenty:
Spoiler: click to toggle I don't remember there being this interaction between Eric and Bart in the movie, but it's funny to see the tables turned Now Bart is scared and reaching out, and Eric is being cold and dickish towards him, barely trying to hide the fact that he's the killer or that he doesn't even give a shit about Richie's death.
On that same note, he is a lot creepier in the book, too, a lot darker. I know he stalked Marilyn in the movie, but I don't remember him being so... Scary in the film. The scene where he reads her letter and rips it up, cussing her out, is actually quite unsettling and shows how dark he has become. I don't remember finding him scary in the film, but the novel is working its way up to that.
Chapter Twenty-One:
Spoiler: click to toggle The film, if I remember correctly, does not have as much focus on Moriarty at all, and the fact that the novel does gives it a VERY different tone from the film. The film wasn't a comedy, really, but it was a little more, as I said earlier, irreverent and "fun" than the novel is. The novel feels very dark to me, and the chapters with Moriarty and Anne are giving it a very human, real touch that keeps it from being as fun as the movie. Here we get a very sweet, very sad moment where we hear about Moriarty's past and HE ACTUALLY CRIES. I wasn't really into the Moriarty/Anne chapters at first, but this was a very good one, and I like their relationship, as it has gone from sexy and dirty to actually... Genuinely sweet and kind of deep. Good chapter.
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May 12 2016, 05:54 AM
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Chapter Nineteen
Spoiler: click to toggle I really loved how Richie's death played out. The way he died made him a bit more pitiful than in the movie, though I was still really happy to see him go. Eric was almost creepier in this and I liked that him sobbing a bit after Richie was killed was included.
Chapter Twenty
Spoiler: click to toggle I love Marilyn's letters. She's totally adorable and Eric's reaction to the contents of the letters was a bit...scary in a way. He's officially crossed over into full on stalker mode and I kind of like it. Him taunting Bart was probably the highlight of the chapter though.
Chapter Twenty One
Spoiler: click to toggle I liked Annie's stuff with Moriarty (as usual), especially the stuff about what happened to his brother. I totally forgot about that bit of information (was it even in the movie?) and they handled it rather well here. The ending of the chapter was a little corny though.
Chapter Twenty-Two
Spoiler: click to toggle Eric meeting Bially was even more sad in the book because I know exactly how that whole situation will play out. The book made it even more obvious that Bially just doesn't give a shit about Eric and his script. Eric returning home to an empty house (and wheelchair) and Stella berating him in his mind was pretty effective stuff.
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May 21 2016, 10:57 PM
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Chapter Twenty-Three
Spoiler: click to toggle Eric acting like a soldier is hot.  I kind of like that one black guy and how he's actually nice to Eric. I'm glad this chapter went back to describing locations and other things in detail. The last few chapters were kind of missing some of the "Hollywood flair" of the first third of the book. Of course, since Eric is past his breaking point now it's a bit darker in tone than it was earlier. It was hilarious, Eric totally not catching the hint that the hot dog vendor was wanting to hook up with him. This part of the story is a bit uglier here than it was in the movie. Eric's 'fight' with Berger was a bit intense. I hate that guy, lol.
Chapter Twenty-Four
Spoiler: click to toggle I'm starting to not care for the Franco bits as much as the other stuff involving Moriarty. Moriarty meeting Marilyn was a good part of this and I liked that The Mummy was on TV at the time (after all, there's a part coming up involving The Mummy as I'm sure you guys remember). LOL@her kind of throwing Joey Madonna under the bus. Oops. I wish Moriarty's discussion with Marilyn had went on longer.
I'll read 25, 26, and 27 and post my thoughts later tonight. Why are we moving so slowly with this one? I know I'm not bored with it or anything. I like it a lot. Lol, I blame school and medical shit.
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May 21 2016, 10:59 PM
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Chapter Twenty-Two:
Spoiler: click to toggle This sets up the big climatic storyline of Eric being screwed over by the producer, and it does so well and in a very quick, concise fashion.
I also like that we get to see more of Eric's inner turmoil. We see here that he's actually GENUINELY insane by this point. He is not just impersonating these characters. He genuinely fucking believes he's Cody Jarrett. To the point that in his moments of mental anguish, he doesn't understand why his Ma... Well... Cody Jarrett's Ma... Doesn't come and try to help him in his time of need. Really heartbreaking stuff.
Chapter Twenty-Three:
Spoiler: click to toggle This was one of the longest chapters the book has had so far. A LOT happens in this chapter, and really all it did was show just how insane of a person Eric is. He continues genuinely believing he's Cody Jarrett, talking to random strangers with it. Some of them think he's a freak show (which he is. Sorry.), while others call his bluff and go along with it, probably assuming he's just an actor trying to entertain people on the streets.
But we also get even more deep into his disturbing obsession with Marilyn Monroe. It's no longer about Marilyn the actress, it's about her existence in general. He refuses to believe she's dead. He's angry that she was not the star of White Heat. And then he has a meltdown when he realizes she did quite her fair share of pornography... Leading to a very weird scene where he gets beaten on the streets, and pretty much wakes up having either pissed himself or had a wet dream. I assumed piss, but since this whole book has a much deeper psychosexual tone than the film ever did, I wouldn't be surprised if it was meant to be semen, not trying to be crude here.
I like how dark the book is. It's VERY different from the fun, entertaining quality of the film. I never really felt disturbed by anything in the film, but here, I am genuinely uncomfortable most of the time, which is good. Sure, would I have liked a fun, entertaining story? Sure. But this is great, too.
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May 22 2016, 05:46 AM
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I apparently read a lot when this was living in my purse. It looks like I still have a few more chapters before I'm caught up to where I was. No one allow me to do that again.
Chapter 21:
Spoiler: click to toggle I want to steal their dinner. I like that the book is giving Anne and Moriarty more of a purpose than just eating crackers in bed. Their chapters continue to make a nice break from Eric's. I think Eric left a different impression on me than on both of you, so I haven't been too shocked that the book is darker than the movie. I think he was a realistic enough stalker that he was still frightening despite some of the more theatrical parts of his personality.
Chapter 22:
Spoiler: click to toggle Eric rushing in to tell Stella about his day was the bit that really got me. That brief flash of regret really highlights how depressing it is that his mental version of Aunt Stella berates him. Even though there were moments when he was loved by his family, he goes to his fantasy world.
Chapter 23:
Spoiler: click to toggle I know he's past that point, but I still really want to insist he get some sleep and eat some fruits and vegetables. He probably doesn't drink enough water, either.
One part of Eric's downward spiral that has really been highlighted in the book is his inability to adjust when people don't share his interests or don't want to talk about the same things as him. I like that the seeds were carefully planted earlier, so it seems like a totally natural progression for Eric to take.
It's very sad that he keeps having these moments of connecting with people but that nothing really comes from it.
Chapter 24:
Spoiler: click to toggle Alright, the switch to Anne and Moriarty was less welcome this time. I was ready for Mr. Berger to get killed. I am glad that these scenes are here, though. I agree that more with Moriarty and Marilyn talking would have been great. The book seems to be setting Moriarty up for it to be realistic that he might have been able to get through to Eric and gotten him help if they had met earlier.
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May 23 2016, 07:21 PM
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Chapter Twenty-Four:
Spoiler: click to toggle This Moriarty chapter served simply as a short way to progress the story. It was too short to feel anything about. It kind of paints David in a better light, though, than I remember thinking of him in the movie.
Chapter Twenty-Five:
Spoiler: click to toggle I like that we see Berger die here, and I like how closely it followed the film. I like that the mummy is referred to as The Mummy, not as Eric, even though we all know that he's the mummy... Berger doesn't, though, and that's where the awesomeness of the writer staying true to that comes into play. Despite being told in 3rd person, it's still from the perspective of Berger, and not referring to the mummy as Eric really stayed true to that.
Chapter Twenty-Six:
Spoiler: click to toggle This was a good, albeit sad, chapter about Eric thinking he's about to be a star, only to find out that, nope. He trusted a snake. I guess we all find ourselves trusting snakes, huh? And when we finally realize it, it's way too late, and you're stuck.
Well, people like us get stuck. People like Eric get revenge, I guess. I like that this chapter does not discuss him wanting revenge, though. It just ends on this sad, "Mr. Bially..." note over a phone conversation. Very well-done.
Edit: I don't condone killing, obviously, but we often trust the wrong people and end up getting fucked over by people. I've had people steal my work and shit, too... But I've never wanted to kill them. XD
I find myself wondering, though... Would Eric end up losing his psychotic, murderous tendencies if his script had been turned into a film with his name attached as screenwriter, or would it just continue his delusions of grandeur?
Would he demand that Marilyn Monroe get a part in the film?
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Jun 1 2016, 04:58 AM
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25:
Spoiler: click to toggle Since he's about to die, it is probably a good time to mention that I've been able to hear Berger's voice in my head this whole time. This was a really suspenseful scene.
26:
Spoiler: click to toggle As I read the chapter, I was already wondering if things would have gone any better for Eric if Bailly hadn't stolen his idea. Eric doesn't seem capable of taking on such a big project, especially since he can't perform the duties of the job that he already has. The biggest positive is that he would see more people on a regular basis that try to do something about his behavior.
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Spoiler: click to toggle I like that the author makes sure to remind the reader that Eric is losing himself in his characters. It's hard to recognize lines from other movies in written form. I think this is the kill that suffers the most from the switch from movie to book, but it still isn't a bad scene. It isn't my favorite of the book's chapters.
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Spoiler: click to toggle I love what the author did to set things up for the book's climax. I like that he was able to put Eric's logic into terms that would make sense to the reader, instead of skipping on to the next scene from Marilyn's point of view. It would have been easy to cut off a chapter right after Eric found out the Marilyn was getting married.
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Jun 2 2016, 05:13 AM
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Gonna try and finish the whole novel this weekend. <3
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Jun 3 2016, 06:14 AM
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Chapter Twenty-Five
Spoiler: click to toggle This chapter was one that I wish had been longer. It set the death up quite nicely and I was able to picture things clearly but I wish that the chase had been extended a bit and that Ron Renauld had milked the suspense a bit more. It should've been a little more drawn out but it was still a really good chapter. It's probably one of the better written deaths.
Chapter Twenty-Six
Spoiler: click to toggle I felt pretty terrible for Eric here (except for when he dumped the ashes in the fireplace - that was a little too cold, even for him, and it wasn't as humorous as some of the other rather bitchy things Eric has done throughout the book). I like that the secretary totally figured that Eric didn't really stand a chance and my heart pretty much sank with Eric's when Bially screwed him over.
Chapter Twenty-Seven
Spoiler: click to toggle There should've been some more dialogue between Eric and Bially in the moments before Bially's death but for the most part this was pretty faithful to the movie. I liked the bits of detail given during Eric's escape after killing him in the salon. Such a trek had to have been stress inducing, lol. For once, Stacey's not pissing me off. I'm kind of on her side since it does seem like Marilyn has rushed into the marriage a bit too quickly. Eric masturbating in a random dark alleyway, oh goodness.
Chapter Twenty-Eight
Spoiler: click to toggle Eight sunsets? Oh, silly Marilyn. Stacey's officially back to being a bit likeable and sensible. She really is right about Marilyn being rather naïve and derpy. I'm not at all surprised that things with David went South so quickly. They didn't feel like a very good match, lol.
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Spoiler: click to toggle In written form, Stacy isn't that bad. Her stance about the marriage is really reasonable. It probably helps that we see her more when she isn't saying something about Eric before he deserved it.
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Jun 3 2016, 06:37 AM
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Yeah. What she said about Eric really pissed me off since, at that time, he was actually pretty harmless.
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Chapter Twenty - Nine
Spoiler: click to toggle I was glad that it went back to Anne and Moriarty for this one. The investigation aspect could've used some more detail but it's not a huge flaw. The pace really started to pick up here and it started to get pretty intense. I know what's coming but I still felt kind of 'funny' about it.
Chapter Thirty
Spoiler: click to toggle Like in the film, I kind of wish that Stacey had been killed somehow. She's a total mixed bag when it comes to being a good friend to Marilyn but I didn't hate her in her last bits, lol. I loved how Eric greeted Marilyn
Chapter Thirty-One
Spoiler: click to toggle Bigtime sense of urgency here! I like that they wrapped things up with Franco (excuse me - Jism...erm...) and that Moriarty seems to really not want Eric to be killed. It almost makes me wish we'd gotten more interactions between the two of them, both in the book and in the film.
Chapter Thirty-Two
Spoiler: click to toggle Yay for the music from 2001: A Space Odyssey being in this. The location was really well described which was nice. The climax was really well written. Eric going back and forth between characters was pretty cool and, like in the movie, Eric giving Marilyn pills was a nice touch. The kiss was sweet. Eric's death was a bit more violent than it was in the movie and I actually felt like Marilyn was actually going to die in this!
Chapter Thirty-Three
Spoiler: click to toggle I really liked this little epilogue. The last couple of sentences were actually pretty haunting.
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Chapter 28:
Spoiler: click to toggle Having a light and fluffy chapter here makes for a nice tonal shift. Having Marilyn and Stacy go shopping makes for a nice scene. The David thing is a bit too sitcomy though.
Chapter 29
Spoiler: click to toggle Anne and Moriarty are very cute. The book did a good job of expanding their role without having it take things over. I agree that it would be nice to have a little more of the investigation. It seems like a missed opportunity to spend so much time with them to jump right to them knowing it is Eric.
Chapter 30
Spoiler: click to toggle Dammit Stacy, you don't leave before you see the guy. That is the opposite of how you do it. I love everything about the last page of the chapter. It brought a lot of stuff together in a great way.
Chapter 31
Spoiler: click to toggle I was really happy for Franco to have ended up in a really good band. Then, he said to call him Jism and ruined the moment. I think the same thing about wishing we had got more of Moriarty and Eric talking, but I guess it does fit with the theme of Eric just barely missing opportunities that could have turned things around for him.
Chapter 32
Spoiler: click to toggle This was great stuff in the movie, and it translates to novel form really well. Getting to actually be inside Eric's head really adds to the experience.
Chapter 33
Spoiler: click to toggle I liked that this was here. It needed a little bit more to fully flesh out the denouement.
I liked looking at the ads at the end of the book. There's one for the novelization of a movie staring The Village People.
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