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Civil War
Topic Started: May 30 2016, 10:41 PM (135 Views)
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The landscape of the Marvel Universe is changing, and it's time to choose: Whose side are you on? A conflict has been brewing from more than a year, threatening to pit friend against friend, brother against brother - and all it will take is a single misstep to cost thousands their lives and ignite the fuse.
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This was an interesting series, filled with just as many lows as highs. One of the biggest highs was Peter Parker/Spider-Man unmasking himself on national TV to draw in support for Stark's pro-registration side. Unlike the movie, which is about the Avengers relinquishing control of their operations to the UN, in the comics it's about ALL masked heroes registering their secret identities and power-sets with the government, and becoming government employees.

Of course the series is now moot, as just about every change it ushered in has since been either completely ignored or ret-conned (for instance, not long after this series Spider-Man makes a deal with Mephisto, who erases the public knowledge of Spidey's secret identity).

This has been the problem since Joe Quesada took over as Marvel's editor-in-chief. Big, massive cross-over stories offering shock and promising change, only to later ignore or rewrite those changes altogether. And it's gotten even worse since Axel Alonso took over (witness the current uproar over Captain America being revealed to have been a Hydra agent all these years). Marvel is now the George W. Bush presidency of comicdom -- all shock and awe, minus even a hint of substance.

Civl War should have been the series that returned Marvel to the kind of glory it enjoyed in the '80s and '90s. Instead, it was just another in a modern string of gigantic farts that cause a brief stink and are quickly fanned away.
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I feel slightly exhausted just thinking about this event. I do like it considerably more when it's just the eight issue main book than I do when it's all 100 or so issues that made up the entire cross-over. This is one of the big things that pushed me towards becoming a primarily DC reader. It has gotten to the point that they're promoting the next cross-over before the current one is over.
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That, plus it's reached the point where they now schedule storylines to coincide with MCU movie releases. The movies are supposed to be inspired by the comics, not the other way around. But DC, while not as bad, is getting there. They just rebooted a few years ago with the New 52, now they're doing something absolutely egregious -- they're rebooting again, only this time it's Dr. Manhattan's fault. Yes, THAT Dr. Manhattan, from Watchmen, which hever has been and was never intended to be set in the DC Universe. For almost thirty years that series managed to stand on its own, separate, and now they're dragging it into the already mucked-up DC continuity, too.

Sigh. Nothing's sacred anymore.
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I'm assuming you're referring to Civil War II, which makes no damn sense to me. If the goal is to get people that like the movies to buy more comics, shouldn't it star characters that people that watch the movies actually know about? It also feels like Secret Wars ended yesterday, and I ignored a lot of it. I don't even want to imagine how tired of events I would be if I read more Marvel. I do like when they release stuff that takes place in the MCU. It makes a nice break when you don't like what they're doing with a character in the main books.

I'm glad my favorite of their books right now is Mockingbird's, since I think she'll be safe from it.

The DC event doesn't bother me too much, especially after going through the New 52 reboot. I'm fully expecting it to go like Flashpoint, and it'll mostly just be a few continuity changes. I like their plans for Ryan Choi and Ted Kord. It's more like they're just frantically waving their hands in front of our faces and asking us to pretend it all makes sense after they're done than a real event. I also feel like I gave up my rights to fret about Watchman's legacy when I fangirled hard over a lot of what they did with Vertigo titles under the New 52 banner.
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Not just Civil War II. Marvel tends to launch new titles to coincide with the release of every new MCU flick (such as new Ant-Man series when that movie was announced, new Ultron stories when AOU 2 was announced, etc). They even completely cancelled the Fantastic Four as an overt act of protest against the last FF flick. Fifty + years of continuity, pissed away because Marvel felt like throwing a fit. This is my problem with Axel Alonso. No sooner does the craptastic new Secret Wars end, which itself came not long after the just-as-craptastic Avengers vs X-Men, now we've got yet another (also likely craptastic) Civil War series. Under his "leadership," Marvel has leapfrogged from one Major, Universe-Shaking Event to another. It makes it impossible for indivdual ongoing series to maintain any kind of linear, coherent story arc. There's almost nothing in Marvel worth reading right now. And don't even get me started on most of the artwork. Spider-Man's never looked shittier than when drawn by artists too heavily influenced by The Gorillaz music videos.

I checked out a lot of the New 52 titles when it first hit, but gave up on all but one of them (Aqua Man) after a couple months. New 52 Aqua Man is all kinds of bad-ass. I'd much rather they based the upcoming DCU flick on THAT Aqua Man than the '90s grunge version they're doing with Jason Momoa. Far from the best iteration of the character.

Back to the new Civil War series -- They're using Captain Marvel as the leader of one side because her MCU debut film is due year after next. Gotta get her name out there, gotta advertise her. 'Cuz, you know, it's never going to make half a billion dollars with only "New MCU movie" attached.
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I can't say that bothers me, because I think they would be stupid not to do that. I am happy with any efforts they make to appeal to a general audience instead of focusing solely on people that are already reading comics. They've had worse reasons to mess with titles. I do forget about the Fantastic Four thing, but that's one of those books that I just never pay attention to. I an sure that I was probably outraged at the time. Civil War II mostly irritates me because it effects books that aren't related at all to the movie that they're trying to tie into.

Aqua Man is actually one of the ones that I gave up after the first volume, and I read the first volume of all of them. It was fine, but it wasn't one that had me too interested in continuing.

It doesn't really fit into your narrative, but the Captain Marvel fans are loud and were not happy about Secret Wars. They would be nuts not to include her, especially if they want to get more fans that focus on the bigger names to check out her family of titles. The sales are mediocre, but those are the characters that I see having a lot of potential to bring in new readers. People that don't normally read comics are way more excited about them than most of what Marvel is coming out with.
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