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Halloween Returns
Topic Started: Feb 26 2017, 10:40 PM (470 Views)
Bad-Hat Harry Bean
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Given that an entirely new Halloween film is being developed by David Gordon Green & Danny McBride under John Carpenter's guidance, I thought it'd be nice to help make a topic on the other film that was cancelled, Halloween Returns, which was going to be developed by Marcus Dunstan & Patrick Melton (of Saw IV-VI). It was said to be not a remake nor a reboot, but a "recalibration" of the franchise set to reintroduce audiences to Michael Myers years after his initial rampage.

The plot was said to had been set some time after the events of the 1978 film, with The Shape in prison, the main characters were to be Deputy Gary Hunt (from Halloween II) and psychiatrist Paul Rogers, along with a new group of Haddonfield youngsters. On Halloween night, Michael's planned execution goes horribly wrong and Michael escapes, intent on getting revenge on the very town who put him away.

The film was being developed in 2015, with a tentative October '15 release, and was said to be more in spirit of the 1978 original. But it seemed along the way, like the other aborted Halloween projects before it, Returns ended up experiencing troubles, with script rewrites included, and eventually on December 2015, the film was entirely cancelled, as a result of its distributing studio Dimension Films losing the Halloween franchise rights.

For everybody else, what were y'all's reactions and expectations when reading the various news reports about the film throughout the year? Excitement, doubts, disappointments, etc.? What did y'all think?
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I love the original, I like some of the sequels, and flat-out hate some of the others, but I don't see the point in a new Halloween movie. The lure of the series has always been Michael Myers, but he's lost his mystique over the course of the series, so what's the point? As it is, all they can do is try to come up with some new story gimmick to justify making another movie with Michael Myers -- but again, the character has lost every trace of mystique, so again, what's the point?

But I'm sure plenty of people would flock to the theater, eager to cough up their money on a huge waste of time. And to those people, keep an eye out for me -- I'll be the guy at the door selling the new and updated, state-of-the-art turd polishing kits.
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Yeah I can understand what you mean. I overwhelmingly love the 1978 film, but by Resurrection, any and all credibility Michael Myers had as a lethal stealth killer was utterly destroyed. Almost all the sequels, especially 5 and 6, were made by directors who just did not care for the franchise and its mythos. After a string of Halloween films that used gore and flashy jumps, it'd be refreshing to see a new film that could potentially recapture that mystique from the first film, and refreshing to see it made by someone who truly cared and held a form of respect for the original.

While I have been extremely careful of raising my hopes over the past eight years hearing of the various Halloween projects being proposed and cancelled, I do have some form of hope for the new one with Carpenter involved. I'll wait and see what the trailer presents, that is if it does get off the ground. If I like what I see, I'll give it a shot. ;)

However, if I am ever given an opportunity, I would LOVE to see the 1978 film re-released in cinemas, just to immerse myself in the magic of seeing it on a big gigantic cinema screen, with the loud speakers. Apparently it was featured in my local cinema last October, but I didn't know about it until it was too late. Never again. :P
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Bad-Hat Harry Bean
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However, if I am ever given an opportunity, I would LOVE to see the 1978 film re-released in cinemas, just to immerse myself in the magic of seeing it on a big gigantic cinema screen, with the loud speakers. Apparently it was featured in my local cinema last October, but I didn't know about it until it was too late. Never again. :P
Bam. That, right there. We, the fans, and they, the filmmakers, know they're never going to recapture or fully duplicate the magic of the original, so why bother at all? Just re-release the original.

Yeah, they did give the original Halloween a re-release recently, but it was a severely limited one. Had they given it a wide re-release, I guarantee you it would have garnered a decent box office, because it would have attracted three distinct crowds:

1. Those who saw it in theaters originally, and want to recapture the rush of seeing it on the big-screen.
2. Those who were either too young or not born yet when it was originally released, but fell in love with in on video and will finally get a chance to see it on the big screen as originally intended.
3. Those who have never seen it at all, and are curious to see what all the fuss is about.

So yes, please, re-release, don't remake. Especially since -- IMO, people, and strictly IMO -- remakes tend more often than not to be utter crap, anyway.

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I disagree about most remakes being crap. I think most remakes are quite good, actually. THAT SAID - at least 80% of remakes fail to be quite as good as the original. :P

I've been meaning to see the original Halloween in theaters. It's been re-released several times. I'll probably get to see it on the big screen next year during the inevitable 40th Anniversary Release. And next October would be the PERFECT time to release it on 1,000 screens for a full WEEK with 2-3 showtimes each day in each theater. I fall into the second category that you listed, Lon. (love) And I agree that it'd make a killing if given a better release.
I'd also love a double feature of Halloween '78 and Halloween II '81. I'd kiiiiill to have that in theaters but I won't get my hopes up about that.

Remaking Halloween again would be stupid. It's been just nine years since the first remake and seven years since the sequel to that. Remake it again in like FIFTEEN YEARS if you absolutely must but...now would be too soon. (wary)

Sidenote - I think it'd kick ass if they re-released the original Black Christmas in theaters for a couple days in December. We usually don't get many (if ANY) Horror films in theaters in the month of December and I could see that going over well, mostly.
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If you have feel like doing some reading, we have two threads about possible Halloween sequels. The first one includes Halloween Returns. The second one starts up when Dimension lost the rights.
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Should we go ahead and merge these?

(I was planning on doing...something...with this thread since we already have threads for this project and other potential Halloween films but i wasnt sure what, lol)
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Bad-Hat Harry Bean
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For sure, Lon. You can put me in the second crowd like Baby Firefly, having been born in early-90s and fell in love with the film on home video, with a strong desire to catch it in cinemas. (love)
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I'm also the second group. Born in '71 so was only 7 when the original was released in theaters. The first time I saw it was its network broadcast premiere in '81 (for you young 'uns, that means "first time ever on TV"). Absolutely petrified me. Anyway, I've managed to see a lot of classics courtesy of re-releases in the '80s and '90s -- except for Halloween. No theatrical re-release has ever played anywhere close to me, regardless of where I lived at a given time. At this point, I've started taking it personally. (lol)
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For sure. I mean I've seen Back to the Future (my all-time fav) and Independence Day re-released in my local cinema the past two years, but it sucks they never give re-releases of such memorable movies very big announcements, if they did, people would definitely flock to see them in droves. I only managed to catch the fact that Halloween was being re-released in October, by stumbling upon it on the cinema's website, the day after its release date, so I was too late. It pissed me off so much. (angrycomputer) But I'm having hopes that maybe it'll have another re-release during its 40th anniversary in 2018, hopefully. But I'm gonna keep an eye-watch for any possibly news this upcoming October, and if it does happen, you bet your ass I'll be the first in line. ;)
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I remember one of my local theaters rereleasing this around the appropriate time a few years ago. Looking it up, it seems like some theaters do show the film every October. From what I remember, though, it's typically a limited affair done on a theater-by-theater basis for anywhere from a couple of days to a couple of weeks, not a wide release.
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I'd just gotten around to reading the Halloween Returns script (believe me, it's a genuine script PM'd to me). I will say, I enjoyed reading it. It's far from perfect, no doubt, but it's not the worst thing I've ever read. It felt like a genuine Halloween love letter, you can tell Dunstan/Melton truly cared for the original, as it's written to have no affiliation with Rob Zombie's series.

I will say, it's implied to be set ten years after Myers' original rampage (I guess that implies 1988), but it's also a stand-alone, as it immediately opens (in POV mode, homage-ing the original's opening) with Michael getting up from his fall out the second-story balcony of the Doyle House, and he chases down an entirely different teen girl (Karen) he had apparently attacked earlier. Honestly it almost reminded me of the time jump issues in Texas Chainsaw 3D, as it seems that our main characters appear to have cell phones. But I'm sure it may have been fixed, had the film actually been made.

There are some points in the script that make it seem like a rehash of the 1978 film, but there is enough difference in it to make it feel like an homage rather than a blatant rip-off/remake. We have Michael Myers in prison for his crimes, and the scene where his planned October 30 execution goes horribly wrong, and he escapes, leaving behind a trail of dead bodies, was really intense to read. The final climax felt very refreshing, as it's set in a farm (which includes an old & dark farmhouse, a barn, a pumpkin patch, and a crop maze), and is still very much a chase between the Final Girl and the Killer. Now of course I should mention:
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Oh and Silver Shamrock from Halloween III are featured in an easter egg reference.

The new psychiatrist, Dr. Paul Rogers, is actually a character mentioned in Halloween II. Rogers is supposed to be our new Loomis, as he also obsesses over Myers, but it puts a strain on his relationship with his teen daughter, Sofia (our main protagonist, the new Laurie). In all honesty when reading it, I pictured Patrick Wilson as Rogers. And we also have Gary Hunt (featured prominently in Halloween II), now Sheriff of Russellville (which is also the main setting for HR. Of course he's a tad like Sheriff Brackett, but he is still a character you could care for here.

But yeah, I enjoyed reading the HR script. Keep in mind, while HR wasn't the first script I've ever read (I've even read the Superman Lives scripts), but this is the very first review I've ever done for a screenplay to an unmade film. I may probably end up reading the script again and re-review it again.

Oh and one more thing:
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I'm big into script trading (actually, script sharing -- I give everything I get and don't ask for anything in return) and have the HR script as well. Haven't read it yet, though. I also have both the Antosca and Guzikowski drafts of the canceled F13 reboot. I'm happy to share, so PM me if there's anything you're looking for and if I have it or can get it, it's yours.
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One of you should PM me the script (love)
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Or, you should PM me for it. Just because I'm happy to share doesn't mean I should do all the legwork, too. I ain't your maid!
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