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| Kelso | Sep 21 2017, 12:39 PM Post #1 |
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What are your thoughts on diversity in horror movies? Do you think it's something that needs to be expanded on? What are your favorite diverse characters, character tropes, or things that need to be changed to appeal to a more diverse audience? To be honest, I love the "Final Girl" trope, it's too bad we don't see enough female slashers and antagonists but they've earned themselves the role of final girl in mainly slasher movies but it's cool to see how far they've come. You have Samara and Sadayako from both Ringu and The Grudge also, there's also Ripley from Alien, you also have witches which if I remember correctly have been predominantly female. Oh, and there's also Annabelle which is cool to see. With Get Out touching upon racial and prejudicial issues, I'd like to see a movie similar to that in the horror genre touching upon gay rights and the LGBT community because times are changing. Any ways, thoughts on diversity in horror movies and how would you like to see it diversify? |
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| Lon Of The Dead | Sep 21 2017, 03:13 PM Post #2 |
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I don't have thoughts on diversity in horror movies. I have thoughts on diversity in general. Which means, of course, time for a spiel... I grew up in multi-ethnic and multi-class neighborhoods. I wasn't raised to see as superior or lesser any sex, class or ethnicity. I wasn't raised to call a poor black man a poor black man, or a rich Asian woman a rich Asian woman. I was raised to call them, simply, a man and a woman. Race, sex and/or economical status don't matter. Calling attention to them, be it as a racist/sexist or an outraged SJW demanding diversity, only implies that those things do matter. And they shouldn't. There's a difference between diversity and equality. Equality is important and deserves defending because it is pure, brain-dead idiocy to hold against someone something they have absolutely no control over, like what color or sex or they're born as. My old standby when talking to people who disagree is, "I don't know about you, but I don't recall anyone poking their head into my womb and asking what race I want to be born as and, sub-question, do I want to be gay or straight?" As such, racists/sexists/bigots in general need to be called out and shown for their ignorance and irrationality. Broadcast their dumbfuckness for the world to see, post their rat faces on billboards, scream their names from the mountaintops, expose them for the implicit trash they are in hopes that some day, dipshit haters of their ilk will hopefully die off and/or fade away, and we won't have to have these kinds of disheartening conversations anymore. Diversity, however, regardless of the intention behind its preaching, ultimately serves only to highlight the differences and infer that one sex or race must be superior to the other(s), or else people wouldn't be so up in arms about making them equal. It feeds the problem simply by existing, in effect completely undermining itself. Do you see? A diversity hire isn't about equality, it's about hiring a person based on their color or sex to make other people think you're not racist/sexist. It's like putting a gun to someone's head and demanding they tell you that they love you. Sure, they'll say it, but they won't mean it -- they're just trying to keep you from shooting them in the head. It's calculated and, thus, insincere. If people want real equality between races and sexes, stop shouting for diversity and instead stop acknowledging that there's any difference at all. Don't call your black teacher black, don't call your Asian neighbor Asian, don't call your gay friend gay. Just call them your teacher, your neighbor, your friend. You wouldn't be passively ignoring the problem, you would be actively refusing to feed it. Edited by Lon Of The Dead, Sep 21 2017, 03:25 PM.
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| MacReadyOrNot | Sep 21 2017, 09:30 PM Post #3 |
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^Huzzah! Excellent dissection. Now  I'm going to feed into that loaded question by saying I would love to see more gay characters like the ones in Alien: Covenant where it wasn't even an issue.Star Trek has been great showing equality, in a way. Not that I'm an avid fan. Get Out is a great movie, and, yeah, it would be nice to see more movies like that. Apparently Spike Lee is making a movie about the true story of how a black man infiltrated the KKK. There's horror to that, by far. There's not a lot of good transgender roles in horror movies. Maybe that should be worked on. Overall, though, Lon is right. There's diversity and there's equality. I think it's important to show both onscreen, if I'm being frank. Because there are still so many people who don't believe racism exists. So you need those movies like Get Out to SHOW them that experience. But it would definitely be an improvement across the board if every character was treated as equals onscreen. I think a great example of that IS John Carpenter's The Thing. Childs is just as important as MacReady. They're equals. But for every Thing we get we end up with an IT, which is a great movie, but shies away from characters like Mike and Stan. |
   
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| Cherry Darling | Sep 22 2017, 01:34 AM Post #4 |
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I definitely want to see more LGBT characters in horror. I think it's time one was introduced in Halloween or F13. |
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| Vanessa | Sep 22 2017, 11:58 PM Post #5 |
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So, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly with Lon here. The biggest thing that can be done to improve diversity in horror movies is by having more diversity behind the scenes. In a lot of the conversations about increasing diversity in film-making, equality means pretending that minorities, LGBT people, and women don't have different experiences and viewpoints than white men that could bring something different to the films that they make. I think a lot of guys honestly don't notice that so many films are filmed through their eyes, which makes it hard for them to understand why it makes a difference to people that aren't white guys for someone like them to direct a movie. Watching American Psycho, it is so obvious to me that it was directed by a woman that I have no idea how anyone could question it. It seems like a lot of people had the same experience with Get Out or Bernard Rose's films. Realistically, I don't think that more minorities will have the opportunity to get involved in horror without someone actively making it a priority. There are plenty of minorities that have made successful horror films that have not been able to build the kinds of careers that their white male peers have had. The push for having more women directing has lead to Mary Harron, Amy Holden Jones, Karyn Kusama, Roxanne Benjamin, Leigh Janiak, and Jennifer Lynch having opportunities that they might not have otherwise. I think another thing that might help is bringing the horror community together more. The horror community has slowly been getting more open and accepting of different viewpoints, but I think there is still a lot of room to improve. There are so many women and LGBT people that straight up don't bother interacting with most horror fans in mainstream places. If I'm going to be honest with myself, I rarely do. Sometimes it just doesn't seem worth the hassle. I think I have it good here, but I still also don't say something every time someone says something stupid. |
  
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