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Topic Started: Jul 6 2009, 11:52 PM (2,426 Views)
bruce lee
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Didn't expect that DSLR would be this difficult to use. Feel I have been looked down and not given a chance to learn since I'm using Sony. I didn't expect all my shots to be good, but there are decent shots taken with my A300, but I have never once heard a single word of encouragement/praise from friends. On the other hand, another newbie playing with Canon 500D gets the opposite respond I get. I know the two cameras don't belong to the same category, but I just feel very discouraged. I'm just not happy with people seating at the opposite end of the table discussing how good the Canon is. I don't even dare to take out my cameras when someone pulls out a Canon.

I use a kit lens, she uses a kit lens, we take a photo together. The image looks equally sharp, the colours look close(actually I don't even see any difference), yet the Canon DSLR is always better. Do I have to switch camp before they will finally be happy?

When I take photos of them, they told me that they don't like a big camera pointing at them, feel like I'm a paparazzi. When they borrow a friend's Canon to play around with, they take all kind of shots. Suddenly, they are comfortable with a DSLR.

No, I'm not about to give up my Sony, but much worse, I want to give up photography altogether. I know the problem doesn't lies with Sony or the camera, it is just me. :cry:
Edited by bruce lee, Jul 6 2009, 11:53 PM.
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hey bruce lee! wah c'mon bro, uve got urself a fighter name im sure u wun be giving this fight of urs that easily!

sometimes, photography is not all about pleasing others. sometimes it is about self fulfillment. i do photography as a form of "meditation" to get my head from the stresses of daily personal life..

many of our bros here are using entry level dslr mainly the a100 to a350. i myself am using a200.

like what has been discussed, ur friends are all probably blind about photography. their heads were won over by over-commercialisation of the C and N camps. like one of our bros once said, u have have the paint brush of Picasso but it doesnt mean u will paint like him!

i have seen many newcomers like you fall into this pit. it doesnt matter! we all have once been there. what's most important is passion. if you have the passion, u make ur own future. i am still pretty much a noob but with perserverance and determination, AND practice, im sure, you will win many friends over.

maybe you have yet to find your style. it's ok. things take time. great wall of china wasnt built overnight. continue shooting and maybe soon u will find a style that u will be comfortable with be it macro, sports, landscape, portraiture...it's all in your hands..

i am glad that u posted this up. you have come to the right place. i think u will never find a community like ours anywhere else in singapore.

what's most important bro, is be true to urself ;) :wave:
Edited by s.khai, Jul 7 2009, 12:11 AM.
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ChaoxAngel
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It's indeed a little frustrating to know that you are far off in another place, yet still able to tell us what you're going through...

It's like you're so close, yet so far from being bathed in the warmth of our Alpha Community. :(

But I believe people there are more or less stuck onto what they see on mass media. Canon is well entrenched in the camera business. What's popular doesn't mean it's good. But you should have known about that by now. :)

I think you have to carve out a niche in your area.

Cameras are too similar in capabilities to say which is a clear winner. You have to excel in technique and stuff.

I chose to pursue techniques, and other stuff, I trimmed my equipment from 6 lenses down to 3. But instead of 1 flash gun, I now have 3, and also one 300 w strobe...

I've been to group shoots, and being the only Alpha user amongst 6 other N and C users, but getting undisputed best shots of the group by virtue of superior technique does them get them really humbled, and it really opens them up to you and they'd really respect you for that, it melts the machine barrier away. It's empowering that they even look up to you.

So I think what you need to do is to start doing things differently. While most if not all of us are too far to physically assist. We will be there to help out with advice and ideas. :D
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i get the same feeling back then when using the km5d for those runway/event shoot...everyone was shooting faster and better than mine.. 20D and D70 ,D70s
they are more responsive,had better auto-focus and better high iso(except nikon), faster lens(usm)
even my panasonic fz1 pns can shoot faster and had af better than my km5d dslr.
i got lot of oof shots compare to my friends...along the process sold my km5d, buy the canon 30D and then sold and buy back sony A700...a while ago i got a loan A900 to play with..and only recently after a while i buy back a km5d to play with..it not for sentimental value or anything... it just that i feel that beside the noticeable technology improvement in the dslr bodies...... i had seen shitty pics taken with A700,A900,D3 and 1dmkIII alike...u dun have to be afraid or feel inferior of what camera or brand u using....the most impt part is the knowledge in the photography.
Knw yrself and yr camera limitation and brush up on yr photography skill...it will be much more beneficial to u in long term..than pondering over brand or body superiority.

first thing first..a self check..are they are biased just against yr camera or u yrself?

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If you wanted to follow the 'herd' you should have bought Nikon or Canon. Sony/Minolta is for people who have the balls to be different. People who are truely into photography know what Sony/Minolta cams can do. You don't need to pay heed to those who are ill informed or ignorant. All you got to do is to play to its strength and compensate its weakness.

Have faith in your cam, develop your photography skill by attending more Alpha shoots (and posting your shots for comments) and your sharpen your PP skills by reading Scott kelby and bugging Richard, Clem and Willis, in no time you'll blow your friends away with your pictures. :good:
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thanks all, the irony, bruce lee with no fighting spirit plus alot of pessimism...
Edited by bruce lee, Jul 7 2009, 12:32 AM.
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Don't feel too discouraged... well I know that we are the "underdogs" that's why I'm very eager to share my knowledge... ;)
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bruce lee
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cjng
Jul 7 2009, 12:17 AM
i get the same feeling back then when using the km5d for those runway/event shoot...everyone was shooting faster and better than mine.. 20D and D70 ,D70s
they are more responsive,had better auto-focus and better high iso(except nikon), faster lens(usm)
even my panasonic fz1 pns can shoot faster and had af better than my km5d dslr.
i got lot of oof shots compare to my friends...along the process sold my km5d, buy the canon 30D and then sold and buy back sony A700...a while ago i got a loan A900 to play with..and only recently after a while i buy back a km5d to play with..it not for sentimental value or anything... it just that i feel that beside the noticeable technology improvement in the dslr bodies...... i had seen shitty pics taken with A700,A900,D3 and 1dmkIII alike...u dun have to be afraid or feel inferior of what camera or brand u using....the most impt part is the knowledge in the photography.
Knw yrself and yr camera limitation and brush up on yr photography skill...it will be much more beneficial to u in long term..than pondering over brand or body superiority.

first thing first..a self check..are they are biased just against yr camera or u yrself?
I kinda suspect that they are biased both me and my camera. If I ask them, they will probably disagree with the "biased against me" part. The praises normally directed to the colours from Canon DSLR, but seriously, I don't see any difference. They can claim better noise control, but they can see the difference in colours through the little LCD screen?
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s.khai
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bruce lee
Jul 7 2009, 12:38 AM
cjng
Jul 7 2009, 12:17 AM
i get the same feeling back then when using the km5d for those runway/event shoot...everyone was shooting faster and better than mine.. 20D and D70 ,D70s
they are more responsive,had better auto-focus and better high iso(except nikon), faster lens(usm)
even my panasonic fz1 pns can shoot faster and had af better than my km5d dslr.
i got lot of oof shots compare to my friends...along the process sold my km5d, buy the canon 30D and then sold and buy back sony A700...a while ago i got a loan A900 to play with..and only recently after a while i buy back a km5d to play with..it not for sentimental value or anything... it just that i feel that beside the noticeable technology improvement in the dslr bodies...... i had seen shitty pics taken with A700,A900,D3 and 1dmkIII alike...u dun have to be afraid or feel inferior of what camera or brand u using....the most impt part is the knowledge in the photography.
Knw yrself and yr camera limitation and brush up on yr photography skill...it will be much more beneficial to u in long term..than pondering over brand or body superiority.

first thing first..a self check..are they are biased just against yr camera or u yrself?
I kinda suspect that they are biased both me and my camera. If I ask them, they will probably disagree with the "biased against me" part. The praises normally directed to the colours from Canon DSLR, but seriously, I don't see any difference. They can claim better noise control, but they can see the difference in colours through the little LCD screen?
if they keep talking about colour, then i suppose they know nuts about photography. it is not all about colour. it is about sending a message thru ur photos..

having a gd ground knowledge in technique would be essential in giving u the upper hand..from der, u can incorporate black and white photos, underexposed, overexposed, blown up colours according to ur liking and subj..

the right exposure arent always nice either...
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bruce lee
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Jul 7 2009, 12:19 AM
If you wanted to follow the 'herd' you should have bought Nikon or Canon. Sony/Minolta is for people who have the balls to be different. People who are truely into photography know what Sony/Minolta cams can do. You don't need to pay heed to those who are ill informed or ignorant. All you got to do is to play to its strength and compensate its weakness.

Have faith in your cam, develop your photography skill by attending more Alpha shoots (and posting your shots for comments) and your sharpen your PP skills by reading Scott kelby and bugging Richard, Clem and Willis, in no time you'll blow your friends away with your pictures. :good:
Thanks for the recommended reading list, I will try to read up on those. Given an opportunity I will like to join in for some of the outings, I really need to brush up on technique. I believe what I am going through is a beginner's problem, need to pick up the basics, strengthen it and shoot more. The pressure from C camp is overwhelming, I had the balls to buy a Sony yet don't have the balls to resist the pressure coming from mouths of those from C camp.
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