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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 29 2009, 07:41 PM (246 Views) | |
| use_ran86 | Nov 29 2009, 07:41 PM Post #1 |
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Hi, i need help here. i'm using sony a200. Recently i started taking photo in raw and try to use lightroom to process it. The problem is after few seconds uploading the photo.. seemed like the lightroom change the color and appearance of the photo. i didn't get the original photo that i saw in the camera. to compare, i took a photo in jpeg and raw. then, export the raw photo as jpeg in lightroom. i understand that lightroom increases the black to 5 to increase the contrast. so i changed back to 0 and export the photo as jpeg. i compared it to the jpeg photo (the one straight from the camera) result: the color in the converted raw photo is less vibrant. the green looks less green. i use lightroom 2.1. i googled about this issue and found out that i'm not the only one having the problem. here is the copy i got from a flickr user: I have a puzzle : > after importing picts shot raw (nikon d200) into lightroom > from grid view I select a shot for loupe view for just a moment the picture looks really good, colors are vibrant and then something happens - like adjustments get automatically applied or something. - it seems to always go dull. Like a saturatuation adjustment is applied. As far as I know I have no automatic adjustments being applied. The history does not show any actions beyond the import line. I find I can set tone curves and get it back... but I am curious what is going on in the first place. I would rather that the system leave the picture alone as the original, more vibrant picture is usually what I want. I have tried to import as dng it seems to happen to these as well. (Though I have to do another test, I remember getting mixed results). Any body else have this problem? Thanks xxxxxx i also found out that lightroom is now developing dng profile for raw so that user can create profile for the camera. i don't really understand about that. and i never use sony software because i dont want to have multiple softwares with same purpose. hope you can help me thanks |
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| s2s1 | Nov 30 2009, 11:45 AM Post #2 |
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I attended Photoshop workshop in Oct. They have this DNG for archive purpose. RAW is device and software dependent. For example, we store the RAW from A700 now, if we need to open the RAW 10 years later, but that time no software can open the RAW (software now cannot run coz OS change). If Adobe support DNG in all future software, the DNG file can be opened. I think your problem is due to RAW format. I think RAW will be processed as JPEG way (add contrast, saturation, etc you set on camera) by our camera before showing on screen. But the RAW file actually still have RAW info, those setting doesn't affect the original image. So the picture is not so vibrant on your PC. |
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| use_ran86 | Nov 30 2009, 02:25 PM Post #3 |
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thanks s2s1.... that's really make sense.. so, how would you suggest me to do? if it doesn't affect the original image, means that i have to tweak this and that before getting the right image. to do that for every raw file is time consuming. do i need to use dng profiles to create the camera matching profile for sony a200? anyway.. using dng editor seems quite complicated for me. do you use photoshop to handle raw file? do you get the same problem? |
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| s2s1 | Nov 30 2009, 03:22 PM Post #4 |
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I haven't tried DNG. I shoot Jpeg 90%. I use RAW only for the shoot I feel important or the lighting/WB very tough to adjust in Jpeg. I use Lightroom v3. It is free beta edition till next year. Cheap and good! =) RAW is mainly for post-processing. If you feel it spend too much time, just shoot Jpeg. |
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| XkaOnslaught | Nov 30 2009, 03:29 PM Post #5 |
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lightroom does not read some of the data that our camera outputs in RAW, this includes DRO, and some Creative Styles. however you see the effect in your camera because the camera creates a sidecar jpeg file of the image embedded with the raw file. in lightroom, the embedded jpeg, if i remember correctly, its discarded and lightroom will generate its own jpeg of the raw file. since it does not read DRO and creative styles, the generated jpeg will not have those.
Edited by XkaOnslaught, Nov 30 2009, 03:30 PM.
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| use_ran86 | Nov 30 2009, 04:08 PM Post #6 |
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i see... got it! ![]() ok.. i think i should not rush to raw. people keep saying to shoot in raw. some mention they never look back to jpeg after start shooting in raw. may be because they are canon or nikon people. easy for them adobe create their camera profiles. someday adobe has to give more attention to alpha users.. haha. |
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| s2s1 | Dec 1 2009, 01:05 AM Post #7 |
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Yes, I think you are right. Remember when attending the Adobe workshop, there is a demo on Camera RAW. They import Canon RAW into Camera RAW, the software can recognise the camera and lens profile. It has some preset can directly apply to the RAW, e.g. vivid. |
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