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Quakewatch 2010-11!
Topic Started: Jun 16 2010, 01:04 PM (696 Views)
Kenny
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Is it any wonder it takes New York a decade to rebuild the WTC, when practically the entire city has to shut down for a few slight tremors??

Also, this! :hahahaha:
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First and foremost, the WTC property is managed by the Port Authority, a government agency that spans two states and several cities; buildings are constantly erected in NYC in a relatively short timeframe.

Second, NYC isn't used to earthqakes, and the last "big one" was a terrorist attack, so when buildings shake, a lot of people first think of the later, not the former.

Third, from what I heard on the radio (I was 50 miles east of the city) the subway system never closed down. People were able to use the bridges as well. Traffic was a nightmare, but that's a normal rush hour problem.

Showing how real New Yorkers react, once the all clear was given, the stock brokers went back inside and continued the rally that was going on that day!

I even went to a baseball game (Long Island Ducks) that evening, although I left early because the Ducks were loosing.
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I never noticed anything, but several people I know said they could see things shaking . A fixed camera in Raleigh shook for about 20 seconds, but that was it. We have quakes out here but they are almost always less than a magnitude 1, throw a 5.8 in the mix its a really big deal since buildings here are not designed with earthquakes in mind, at least not ones of that size. We've been pretty fortunate that the major fault line that runs down the east coast has remained dormant. What worries me is that this large quake might be signaling an increase in activity. It's going to be something to watch.
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The watermellons (you know "green" on the outside but "red" inside) are starting to attack. The new argument is that the earthquake was a direct result of fracking.
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I felt a small tremor at home in WV. Just slight shaking that lasted for about 5 or 6 seconds.
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Retired WerePenguins,Aug 25 2011
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The watermellons (you know "green" on the outside but "red" inside) are starting to attack. The new argument is that the earthquake was a direct result of fracking.

Oh lord, a natural gas explosion is more likely than that. Earthquakes have been known to happen in that area for over 200 years, long before fracking, or any sort of mining for that matter, were ever used.
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Retired WerePenguins,Aug 25 2011
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The watermellons (you know "green" on the outside but "red" inside) are starting to attack.  The new argument is that the earthquake was a direct result of fracking.

Fair go, there's nothing "watermelon-y" about being worried about what's going on in the land under your feet. I live in a mining area with topside industries that include winegrowing and horse studs, as well as small villages. People worry about the effect of the mines on the water table, both in terms of what effect it will have on water availabilty and in terms of what may leak into the water. And that's just with longwall mining.

Add to that, we've just found out that a 100-year-old water pipe has contaminated pasture right across the valley and into residential areas. The Water Board picked it up when a bunch of cattle got sick from lead poisoning. There's just been a toxic chemical spill across homes in the main city, on the harbour. And the council told my own neighbourhood last year not to eat home-grown vegetables sown directly into the ground, because of pollution from a recently closed -- deemed safe all the time it was operating -- electric lamp factory. My kids were babies while it was working.

You can surely understand why ordinary people will be a little leery of the things that happen where they can't see, and not be all that trusting of authorities' assurances that this or that is safe. When we had an earthquake, the geologists looked very closely at the role of the mines (the place is riddled with unmapped convict-dug tunnels). As it happened, one suggested it may even have helped, but we needed someone to at least check.

That's not being a watermelon; that's often just having kids, and worrying about them.
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Well I'm not prepared to say that fracking caused this earthquake, in fact I'm pretty sure it didn't. I don't like fracking though, not because it can cause major earthquakes (it probably can't), but because of the very real possibility of it screwing up the water table.
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Yeah, I doubt it can straight-out cause earthquakes, but I'm edgy about its effect on other features, or the effect of a natural earthquake cracking something during the process. We're not generally considered an earthquake zone, though we had one a while back with some fatalities. (Not that the miners can predict earthquakes.)

But we are considered a damn stroppy bunch of people! :P
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artichokeville,Aug 25 2011
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Retired WerePenguins,Aug 25 2011
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The watermellons (you know "green" on the outside but "red" inside) are starting to attack.  The new argument is that the earthquake was a direct result of fracking.

Fair go, there's nothing "watermelon-y" about being worried about what's going on in the land under your feet. I live in a mining area with topside industries that include winegrowing and horse studs, as well as small villages. People worry about the effect of the mines on the water table, both in terms of what effect it will have on water availabilty and in terms of what may leak into the water. And that's just with longwall mining.

Clearly there are always concerns with every technology and there needs to be a good debate on fracking. Locals have every right to be concerned. But I wouldn't in general call a local farmer a watermellon. I'd call him someone with a serious investment and stake in the whole affair.

Generally speaking the "watermellons" are orbganizations from outside the locale that publically claim to be for the "environment" but practically are simply for more government controll over everything and less private industry. They generally hate both the miner and the local farmer with equal passion. Under the veneer of being green they impose a socialistic (red) agenda.

IIRC, the term was really invented on the other side of the pond where rolling backouts are now common because the "green" powersource of the UK just can't handle the demands of the population of the UK when the winds fail to blow and the clouds cover the solar panels. (Just like that daily issue said it would!)
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