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Libya
Topic Started: Mar 16 2011, 06:06 PM (1,207 Views)
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Anyone else finding the collapse of the revolution an almost heartbreaking affair? I don't know what more could have been done - internally or externally - but, my god, what a horrible way to shatter the dreams of Arab Spring...
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I'm trying not to pay attention, because I don't want to be heartbroken if it fails.
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Yes it is very sad. :/
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It is sad but so very logical. Egypt really is the exception in the Middle East because the military was raised and trained by the United States and so tends to favor stability and rule of law above the current Boss du jour. (One of the reasons why they were so loved by the people.) All the other petty decitatorships have militaries that owe whoever the Bastard in Charge big time (otherwise they would probably be dead). They are very willing to kill their own people in order to keep their Bastard in Charge in power, no matter what happens in the process.

It doesn't help that we have the Waffle-O-Matic POTUS, the same one who allowed democracy in Iran to get buchered while he played golf.
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There has been a complete lack of leadership from the United States ever since this started. Confusing and contradictory signals when it was happening in Egypt, and now fiddling while Libya burns. It's embarrassing, and sad.
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Iron Felix,Mar 17 2011
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There has been a complete lack of leadership from the United States ever since this started. Confusing and contradictory signals when it was happening in Egypt, and now fiddling while Libya burns. It's embarrassing, and sad.

Are you surprised?
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Zarquon Froods,Mar 17 2011
11:54 AM
Iron Felix,Mar 17 2011
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There has been a complete lack of leadership from the United States ever since this started. Confusing and contradictory signals when it was happening in Egypt, and now fiddling while Libya burns. It's embarrassing, and sad.

Are you surprised?

I'm disappointed. I had hoped that we would continue to have a foreign policy that encouraged movements towards democracy. As we've seen though, in Iran and Egypt and now in Libya, that isn't the case. Our foreign policy seems at best directionless, at worst downright timid. Or should that be the other way around? It's almost as if we're begging some other nation to step up and take the lead because we don't want to lead any more.
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I agree that the US should be more vigorous in addressing the situation in Libya. That said, what are we supposed to be doing about it? I'm not about to advocate any unilateral military action by the US against Gaddafi because we're already involved in two ongoing military campaigns that haven't gone especially well AND because there are enough countries in Europe that could be dealing with this much more proactively. Then there are NATO and the UN, both of which should be doing more than sitting around having a(nother) discussion about maybe doing something, some day.

Every time the US does something unilaterally, there's tons of international blowback. Yet we're supposed to take the lead on this one too? How about Italy or France do something and then ask the US to help out? If we sat back after that, then I'd really have a problem with the US government's position on Libya.
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France has actually been trying to organise a no-fly zone!
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If I'm not mistaken, the French and others within NATO were trying to organize a no-fly zone and we basically vetoed it.
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Iron Felix,Mar 17 2011
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If I'm not mistaken, the French and others within NATO were trying to organize a no-fly zone and we basically vetoed it.

Damn. That's what I get for not keeping as current as I should be with the news. In that case, the administration is being stupid, short-sighted, and ridiculously weak. Did I mention stupid already?
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U.S. Seeks UN Resolution Authorizing Strikes

And in other news...

Obama loses Clinton.

And in totally unrelated news....

He loses Joan Baez.
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That is.. bad :|
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Iron Felix,Mar 17 2011
03:57 PM

This isn't really surprising. Big O. hasn't had a clear direction set out for his foreign policy since the campaign for President.

I was just watching the UN feed, they were voting on a resolution, likely the no-fly zone, which passed with 10 votes and 5 abstentions. Maybe now they can get the situation under control and out that bastard.

And as far as the US not wanting the lead, I can't blame them. The UN has been using them as their police force for years and made them the target for international outrage.

And speaking of the UN's inability to regulate, well anything, reminds me of an excerpt from "Team America: World Police"

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Soldier: Poi ta? [Kim turns to face him] Pa chin! Peya Hans Brix poge tode ka. ["Sir, Hans Blix is here from the United Nations"]
Kim: Hans Brix? Aww no! Oh, herro. great to see you again, Hans.
Hans Blix: Mr. Il, I was supposed to be allowed to inspect your palace today, and your guards won't let me in to certain areas.
Kim: Hans Hans Hans, we've been through this a dozen times! I don't have any weapons of mass destruction, okay Hans?
Blix: Then let me look around so I can ease the UN's collective mind.
Kim: Hans you're breakin' my balls here, Hans, you're breakin' my balls!
Blix: I'm sorry, but the UN must be firm with you! Let' me see your whole palace, or else!
Kim: Or erse, what?
Blix: Or else we will be very, very angry with you, and we will write you a letter telling you how angry we are.
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Airstrikes within hours? Well that's an improvement. Would have been better a week or so ago.....
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