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Libya
Topic Started: Mar 16 2011, 06:06 PM (1,214 Views)
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Iron Felix,Mar 17 2011
06:21 PM
Airstrikes within hours? Well that's an improvement. Would have been better a week or so ago.....

I wonder if he knows its coming? :rolleyes:

I haven't been paying much attention to the east since the episode in Japan, I hadn't realized that 4 national leaders have stepped down. It kind of make you wonder if the US will ever get to that point given the uncontrolled debt that is mounting and the souring price of goods.
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I'm rather glad for the French right now.
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I am told the first strikes will be unilateral ones by British and French aircraft. They could be in the air within hours. It is likely five Arab air forces will take part. Hillary Clinton has said it will mean bombing Libyan air defences. Nato will step up if asked but could take a while.
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Well, I'm glad that the UN stepped up to the plate - as it should be. I do wish that Obama would have said something decisive, one way or the other, instead of fucking around for the past ten days. I'm also glad that this isn't another US-led invasion of an Arab country (at least, I think that Libya is predominantly Arab) because of the past few such adventures.
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I don't think anyone will have to put boots on the ground. The main advantage Gaddafi has over the rebels is his planes and helicopters and tanks. Hopefully he won't have any of those much longer.
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Invasion and occupation is also specifically disallowed by the resolution.
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My biggest regret with Lybia and its leader was Reagan didn't sqaush him like a bug when he had the chance in the 80's.(its the one incident of Reagan's Presidency that dissapointed me). We knew Ghaddafi was behind terrorist attacks, hell we knew than anything involing the Lybians had to have Ghaddafi's apporval and knowlage. A few criuse missiles and problem solved.
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Iron Felix,Mar 17 2011
06:43 PM
I don't think anyone will have to put boots on the ground.

And that is now a promise, straight out of the mouth of President Obama. Which means nothing, of course, but it sure is nice to see him fully and actively engaged...for once in his miserable, impotent presidency.
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Kenny, I never thought I would agree with you about Obama...

but I do.

Quick! run outside and check if pigs are flying!
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Well we can all sleep soundly tonight, safe in the knowledge that Obama has picked UConn to win it's 3rd straight women's basketball national championship.
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Iron Felix,Mar 18 2011
04:41 PM
Well we can all sleep soundly tonight, safe in the knowledge that Obama has picked UConn to win it's 3rd straight women's basketball national championship.

We'd all better hope he wins, half the GDP is riding on it. :rolleyes:

I swear, he seems so disconnected from everything going on around him its astonishing.
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Is Obama being advised by old guard realpolitikos? I understood the apparent timidity concerning Egypt - the US's 'brand' was weak and endorsing the revolution could have been counter-productive. But Libya... only Cameron and Sarkozy (CAMERON AND SARKOZY - !!!) 'got it' early on. Obama and others just sat back and... argh.

Still, it could be worse. You could have Berlusconi. Now there's a country in need of a revolution...

Considering this further, could it be that Obama is overly desperate to keep foreign entanglements to an absolute minimum considering the potency of the domestic debate? Would helping to boot Gaddafi really give him that much of a boost back home considering the issues directly impacting people's wellbeing? Cynical if so, but he wouldn't be the first nor the last to think this way.
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The US has a bad reputation of getting ride of regimes, we've been responsible for the rise to power of figures like Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden and Fidel Castro to name a few. I suppose that could explain the lack of action, but still the hold out on the no-fly zone was a very flawed decision to make.
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Retired WerePenguins,Mar 17 2011
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It doesn't help that we have the Waffle-O-Matic POTUS, the same one who allowed democracy in Iran to get buchered while he played golf.

Hmm. What would you have had him do? Bomb bomb Iran?

Furthermore, why do such thoughts seemingly not get aired when democracy gets a kicking in Cote d'Ivoire? Or Fiji?

Where does this start? Where does it end?

I know what I'd like to do see, and that starts with supportive, enthusiastic verbal support for democracy and liberty movements wherever they emerge, regardless of geopolitical considerations. But words can only do so much - basically bugger all in the case of, say, Iran - and the question of when military action is justified is just a tad thornier. Obviously.

(Apologies if all this is even more rambling than my usual low standards, it's pretty late.)
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Anyway, I have to say I haven't been following the news much, being rather more preoccupied with the political situation in the UK. The LSE thing amused me insofar as I didn't particularly see how just a year ago, Qaddafi was so respectable that accepting money from him was somehow kosher. We only just now noticed that he's a slightly bad egg?
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