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| Topic Started: Mar 16 2011, 06:06 PM (1,211 Views) | |
| Iron Felix | Mar 24 2011, 10:28 PM Post #61 |
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And for the record I think this "oh we can't possibly target Gaddafi" policy is bullshit. Libya is a military dictatorship. Gaddafi is the commander of the Libyan military. Whatever building Gaddafi happens to be in at any given time is the headquarters of the Libyan military. BOMB THAT BUILDING. |
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| Knootoss | Mar 25 2011, 12:07 AM Post #62 |
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While I support this action, I rather agree with the points about how Congress ought to have been asked. |
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| Cobdenia | Mar 25 2011, 03:52 AM Post #63 |
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I don't know...if we kill him it might stir up anti-western feeling amongst his supporters. Also, being exploded isn't too bad a way to die. Let the rebels get him... |
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| Snefaldia | Mar 25 2011, 07:04 AM Post #64 |
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That's the catch-22. AJE is already running pieces about the Arab League hand-wringing how the "Western intervention has deligitimized" the rebel movement" (which is absolute shite, since they asked for help in the first place). Killing Gadhafi would eliminate him, but it could appear like a western hit, which has repercussions in places like Bahrain, Syria, and Yemen. On the other hand, not making him a target means he can still command his forces, which, if the rebels are victorious, then can put him on trial and legitimize themselves for his forty years of hell. |
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| Krioval | Mar 25 2011, 07:54 AM Post #65 |
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Agreed. If the US had acted without international sanction, it would have been compared to the heavy-handed interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and maybe even Vietnam. I'm not sure who would replace Gadhafi if he were to disappear, and the power vacuum could be worse (see also: Iraq after Saddam Hussein). Have the rebel forces coalesced around a stable leader or a handful of stable leaders yet? |
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| Kenny | Mar 25 2011, 08:18 AM Post #66 |
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As far as the whole "he should have gone to Congress first" thing goes, I'm not buying it, principally because it is being advanced mostly by ego-sore congressmen (and other assorted blowhards) who are pissed off that they were robbed of the chance to grandstand on the floor of Congress before the operation began. Like it or not, Congress is not the commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces; President Obama is. He's a cowardly, morbidly indecisive commander in chief, but he's what we got, and I'm not so sure that the complaint about ignoring Congress necessarily lends weight to the contention that he was already dragging his feet and wasting time even without congressional meddling. The War Powers Act is unconstitutional anyway, but that's a different debate altogether. |
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| Snefaldia | Mar 25 2011, 08:26 AM Post #67 |
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The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Democrats, who are the stereotypical leftist defenders of democracy, are unhappy he took action to support a rebellion against a dictatorship. Or something? Meanwhile the Republicans are scrambling to find a reason to pillory him for... something? Gas prices? Because he's Obama? No one can figure out what to do. I think it's insane the Democrats are wasting their time whining about this when they have much more important things to worry about at home. However, THIS is just more evidence that things with Libya are seriously FUBAR. |
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| The Palentine | Mar 25 2011, 08:31 AM Post #68 |
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I was actually kinda shocked by Congressman Kucinich's newfound appreciation of the Constitution. He certainly didn't pay much attention to it when he and his cronies rammed health care down the throats of the american people. I have to agree with Kenny about this. Congressmen Kucinich and Paul are pissed becuase they didn't get to give a speech on one of their favorite subjects. America should be an isolationist country who shouldn't actually use the military for anything...especially not overseas. Hell, Kucinich would probally favor disbanding the military altogether, and give our nation's enemies a firm talking to with finger wagging with threats to send them to bed without supper if they continue to act belligerantly. |
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| Iron Felix | Mar 25 2011, 09:05 AM Post #69 |
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It's a very confusing situation, politically. Democrats and Republicans both seem to have been caught off guard by it and now they're all scrambling around like mice trying to decide which side they want to be on and what their argument should be. |
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| Retired WerePenguins | Mar 25 2011, 10:46 AM Post #70 |
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“The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress, was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons. Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us. But your view destroys the whole matter, and places our President where kings have always stood.” - Abraham Lincoln Later on, like Obama, he would completely ignore his prior opinion. |
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| Iron Felix | Mar 25 2011, 12:16 PM Post #71 |
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Canada takes charge in Libya |
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| Snefaldia | Mar 25 2011, 12:36 PM Post #72 |
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"Lard Thunderin' that Gadhafi, what's he all riled up aboot b'ye? Right crooked over summat, eh." |
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| Iron Felix | Mar 25 2011, 12:40 PM Post #73 |
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Yes this will be the event that ushers in a new era of Canadian imperialism. |
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| Zarquon Froods | Mar 25 2011, 01:42 PM Post #74 |
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:roflmao: |
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| The Evil Smurfs | Mar 25 2011, 07:00 PM Post #75 |
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![]() You mean aside from the fact that they already considers us the Great White Satan and want our men to die, our women to be raped, and our children enslaved? |
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