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Stop BernieSplaining to Black Voters?
Topic Started: Feb 11 2016, 03:57 PM (105 Views)
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Stop Bernie-splaining to black voters?

This is a pretty neat article detailing why the author thinks blacks do not support Bernie Sanders to the same degree as might be expected.
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So basically some Sanders supporters are condescending. I'm not saying its wrong, but that article was pretty meh. Not really much of interest in there.
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Well, I thought it was interesting why black people won't vote for him.
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I think it would be more interesting to see why the majority of women in new Hampshire voted for Sanders over Clinton.
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“Don’t black folks understand that Bernie best represents their interests?”

^^ That is fucking racist. Why should blacks be Democrats? Because they need government handouts?
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Or because they have an overwhelmingly higher poverty rate than other races and Berinie has been championing the rights of the underprivileged for decades? Or perhaps, just maybe, it's because he marched with MLK and has fought for civil rights his entire life? Perhaps, just maybe, it's because he gives a damn and not because he's a democrat.
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Or because they have an overwhelmingly higher poverty rate than other races and Berinie has been championing the rights of the underprivileged for decades? Or perhaps, just maybe, it's because he marched with MLK and has fought for civil rights his entire life? Perhaps, just maybe, it's because he gives a damn and not because he's a democrat.
Why do they have a higher poverty rate? Possibly because they are being given government handouts which reduces incentives for them to find higher paying jobs. Bernie supports things like $15 minimum wage and free college which are harmful to competition and the economy.

I point to the projects and welcome you to live in them. Someone who receives something for free will not appreciate it as much as if they had worked to earn it, hence why nobody takes care of the projects and they have devolved into crack dens.

If you want to help the blacks, encourage them to be competitive, not subsidize them for not being as skilled and talented as others who rightfully earn more money. Blacks should be voting Republican.
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Or because they have an overwhelmingly higher poverty rate than other races and Berinie has been championing the rights of the underprivileged for decades? Or perhaps, just maybe, it's because he marched with MLK and has fought for civil rights his entire life? Perhaps, just maybe, it's because he gives a damn and not because he's a democrat.
Why do they have a higher poverty rate? Possibly because they are being given government handouts which reduces incentives for them to find higher paying jobs. Bernie supports things like $15 minimum wage and free college which are harmful to competition and the economy.

I point to the projects and welcome you to live in them. Someone who receives something for free will not appreciate it as much as if they had worked to earn it, hence why nobody takes care of the projects and they have devolved into crack dens.

If you want to help the blacks, encourage them to be competitive, not subsidize them for not being as skilled and talented as others who rightfully earn more money. Blacks should be voting Republican.
Or because they came from poverty and because their ancestors came from poverty as a result of being oppressed. There's a difference between giving free living and providing subsidies for jobs that hire families below the poverty line.

I also love that free college and a higher wage harm the economy. Adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage was at it's highest in 1968(At almost 10 dollars) when the economy was surging forward despite inflation. It allowed for the lower class to live comfortably and to buy enough goods to strengthen the economy with their purchasing power. Free college, on the other hand, offers an opportunity for students to not be in debt for the rest of their lives and allows for underprivileged students who struggle with being unable to pay for college to help contribute to a competitive economy that ushers in more growth by allowing for a more highly skilled workforce.

You, and those that "rightfully earn their money," are no more skilled or talented than those who grew up black and in poverty without ever being given the chances that come with being white or being born to a world that supported them with opportunity.
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That high minimum wage in the late 60s along with LBJ's reckless "Great Society" garbage completely hosed the economy so Nixon had to take the US dollar off the gold standard.

I actually am more skilled due to having put forth the effort to continue my education. It was not something inherent or based on my race. I question why it is that these "disadvantaged" people do not do well in K-12, or at least not well enough to qualify for scholarships for college (or for an unknown reason do not want student loans) and yet somehow will magically become able to handle college?

I mean do you see the fallacy there? People who can't handle high school should be given "free" college that those of us who worked hard to succeed in college should pay for? I went to public schools, there were plenty of people of all races in my schools and I never saw anyone ever say they were graded differently because of racism.

The main problem with "free" college (i.e. college that the skilled must pay for) is that it subsidizes inefficient majors, like women's history, at the expense of profitable majors, like engineering. It also will continue to water down the standards in college by having more academically unqualified people being admitted.

I really don't care why a person is unqualified to be in college, whether it's due to being poor, or a different race, or having whatever disability. If they cannot handle the material, they need to find something else to do with their time and their life.

By all means, go to the projects and find someone to tell them that you will pay for their college. Please, present proof that you have done this, then maybe you will have some credibility to tell me what I should do with my tax money.

So I grew up poor in a single parent household, have received plenty of low grades when I turned in shoddy work, went to public schools, enlisted for money for college, got the GI Bill and still had student loans, got a nice job and have paid off my student loans, and now am a productive taxpayer. Please enlighten me as to where my privilege is and where my course is somehow unavailable to someone of a different race.

Unless you are just making excuses for blacks because you have lower standards for their achievements, which is the pinnacle of racist ideology.
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Yes Optik. Free education is a blight upon our earth. *facepalms*
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Scholarships have been proven to go overwhelmingly to white students even when a black student of an equal qualification applies. On top of that is has been proven that students from a poor background struggle to not only pay for school but to complete school once they arrive. Only 14% of students in college were from the bottom 50% of the country's socioeconomic ladder. Yet there is insistence from the Republican party that everyone should pull themselves up by their boot straps. Hard work is more important than anything else.

I also like how you imply that all students subsidized by these efforts would go to inefficient majors that you pay for(Which is nonsense as the top 1% pays over half of the federal income while earning 99% of the wealth while the bottom 80% pay about 15%). There are compromises that could push for growth in majors like teaching, engineering, programming, and many more while discouraging majors in things like women's history. I'd also like to direct your nonsense claims to studies that have shown "profitable majors" to be the most popular majors by far. So far, in fact, that not a single art major was in the top ten. Here is one example if you need it. I fail to see how making things easier for those who qualify to get into said college turns everyone into idiots that fail to realize that they need money to survive. It's not like it's open season for everyone to get in. There's still admission standards, requirements for federal grants, and more that ensure that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can get an education they're not going to use. What it does ensure is that everyone gets a chance even if they weren't born into a family that can pay their way through college or if they weren't born as someone that wants to fight for their country. Some people fear death or simply oppose violence and joining the military should not be the only way underprivileged youths can get to college.

You shake your fist and yell the typical Republican rhetoric about how your taxes won't go to free education or free healthcare or anything that has people do anything other fight against everything on their own. You say the Republican party is the party that should get the black vote but this isn't the time when the party is the one fighting for their civil rights it's the time when they're fighting for mandatory minimum sentences that overwhelmingly punish their black constituents. It's when they're trying to cut all help to them without any proposals that would make things better like a way for them to join the workforce. Instead they cut all help and threaten them with more and more jail time for turning to the only thing they have left, crime.

(At it's conception the GI Bill excluded African American voters, stopping the chance of long term economic development that benefited the white veterans of the war.)
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Yes Optik. Free education is a blight upon our earth. *facepalms*
Stop fucking shitposting in my threads.
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Well considering this was not your thread (actually Rach's), but actually another thread where you have started an argument with your racist views, I guess I may as well keep shitposting, as long as it's right.
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Scholarships have been proven to go overwhelmingly to white students even when a black student of an equal qualification applies.


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Links:

http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/09/13/318153/scholarships-go-disproportionately-to-white-students/

There are more links out there but they essentially say the same thing.
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