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Topic Started: Jun 13 2013, 11:17 AM (334 Views)
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PASD... sorry you're really not going to like me for this topic but it's the truth :P

Was discussing this on IRC and didn't feel like typing it on my phone, mobile. Reference for most of my post: http://capgeek.com/penguins/

Ray Shero just fucked the Penguin dynasty straight over by extending Malkin for that amount, and should be fired immediately. (Signing Bylsma was a questionable decision, but that's besides the point here). Let me explain.

Let's make one assumption: The salary cap for next season is set to drop to $63.4 million per year. Assume that it will not rise in 2014-15 (it may, but not necessarily likely. My point is here, you cannot sign contracts based on what you THINK the cap will do). Let's also assume that the Penguins will not buy out Fleury, because even if they did, his replacement would be making a similar salary if not more.

Major contracts currently under contract beyond next season (and respective cap hit) -
Evgeni Malkin, $9.5 mil
Sidney Crosby, $8.7 mil
Marc-Andre Fleury, $5 mil
Paul Martin, $5 mil
James Neal, $5 mil
Total tied up on 5 players: $33.2 million - average of $6.64 million
Total Remaining (for 18 players): $30.2 million - average of $1.67 million

Let's break down the Penguins depth chart. Assume that:
1) The reserve 3 players can be signed for approx the league minimum/or are rookies ($700,000)
2) Your backup goaltender and 4th line forwards can be signed for $1 million average
3) Your 3rd pair defenders can be signed for $2 million average

Neal ($5) - Crosby ($8.7) - ???
??? - Malkin ($9.5) - ???
??? - ??? - ???
4th ($1) - 4th ($1) - 4th ($1)
Res ($0.7) - Res ($0.7) - Res ($0.7)

Martin ($5) - ???
??? - ???
3rd ($2) - 3rd ($2)

Fleury ($5)
Backup ($1)

Total committed: $43.3
Total available for a 1st line RW, two 2nd liners, three 3rd liners, and three top-4 defencemen: $20.1 million (average of $2.5 million)

This is a serious problem. First line right-winger, at least $4 mil. Your 2nd liners, if you want anything respectable, are going to come for at least $3 million each. Pittsburgh desperately needs a top-quality defenceman unless you want Paul Martin to be your #1, which will come for at least $5 million. Now Pittsburgh is down to $5.1 million for their entire third line and second pair of defencemen. This is, of course, not taking into account re-signing Cooke, Kunitz, Dupuis, Iginla, Morrow or Letang. Kunitz and Letang especially are now completely impossible to re-sign.

Problem #2: Pittsburgh's scouting has unfortunately been terrible. It was pretty hard to miss on the draft picks they've made, but aside from Beau Bennett, they have very few blue-chippers in their organization. So they can't really go the cheap route.

Sorry PASD, the next couple years aren't looking good down there - you are gonna have the worst depth in the NHL. You should be knocking on Shero's door and asking for his head. The Leafs are only now coming out of a similar dark age. :P
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Well considering my career aspiration is to be a sports coach/manager (specifically soccer though I've given more thought to hockey recently and I'm coaching hockey this coming winter), the time I spend is validated :P
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Guess which GM won GM of the year?
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Yes but voting was done a month ago - long before hockey writers' association realized that Morrow was a bust, Iginla was not worth the upgrade and they signed Malkin to a ridiculous contract.

Personally I think GM of the year is a bullcrap award. Even if they gave it to the Leaf GM I wouldn't care - you can't evaluate a GM based on his success in one year; GM's plans often stretch over 5 years or more, or just stick to their system.

Perfect example: David Poile in Nashville. He hasn't won one of these, but he has made the playoffs almost every one of the last 10 years despite running an extremely tight budget and having virtually no scoring forwards.
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Coach of the year is similarly deceptive.
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Coach of the year is similarly deceptive.
I strongly disagree with this. A coach has no control over what his personnel is, or injuries; he has to make do with what he has. The Jack Adams (coach of the year) is often about circumstantial success short-term.

For example, this year Michel Therrien (Montreal), Joel Quenneville (Chicago) and Paul MacLean (Ottawa) were nominated. Therrien was nominated mainly because Montreal was written off as a potential bottom-feeder and instead they were near the top of the conference for most of the season - he clearly got the most out of his players because Montreal played well above their head (as evidenced by the first round shitkicking from Ottawa). Quenneville was nominated not just because Chicago played so well, but also for the record-setting win streak; it is extremely difficult to keep players on a level head basis when they have won 20 games in a row. Very easy to get cocky and complacent, teams that go on massive runs of wins often have an immediate and epic collapse.

The winner, of course, was MacLean, by a landslide. His again had nothing to do with years past or future; it was because he found incredible success despite at one point having so many injuries that 75% of his forwards in a game had started the year in the AHL. He saw his best forward/playmaker (Spezza), the best defenceman in the league (Karlsson), his goaltender who was playing like an MVP (Anderson), his top goalscorer (Michalek), his best defensive d-man (Cowen) and one of his more skilled tough guys (Dziurzynski) all go down nearly simultaneously with debilitating injuries. Ottawa had to dress 35 different players this year, which is by far the NHL record for a team that made the playoffs (usually teams near the bottom of the conference begin experimenting with farm-team callups and rookies because the games no longer matter). The fact that Ottawa made the playoffs through this diversity is why MacLean won coach of the year (and why, in my opinion, they should have also won GM of the year).
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I was away for the weekend. I'm just gonna disregard this topic :P
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Okay but just answer me one question: what is your opinion of the Malkin signing?
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I'm not saying that Maclean didn't deserve to win it but the award is for coaches whose teams that are perceived to have over-achieved, I don't think this is accurately the "best coach of the year". You look at the consistency of Mike Babcock for example...
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Calvin Coolidge ~ Rach for NS Queen! \o/
Trinn ~ You're already super sexy and that can't really be outdone
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Praetor ~ Who needs 1500 WA nations when you have Solorni
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Okay but just answer me one question: what is your opinion of the Malkin signing?
I like it, puts the two of the best players in the league together till I'm 31. :P

Also the cap hit and salary puts and even bigger chance that Kris Letang is gone by the end of the summer. B-)

Geno can have fits where he blows but in the end I think it'll work out.
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Also. I just had a lovely conversation with The Penguins Twitter account.

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NES ~ I find you so irresistible | Bestias ~ You are a goddess
Salaxalans ~ RACH FOR NS QUEEN | Cpt Carrot ~ Can you get any more awesome? <3| It's always easy to be cheerful around you <3
Calvin Coolidge ~ Rach for NS Queen! \o/
Trinn ~ You're already super sexy and that can't really be outdone
Helle ~ EVERYONE wants to be like you <3 | Guys wanna be with you, and girls wanna be you :3
Praetor ~ Who needs 1500 WA nations when you have Solorni
Ninn ~ hi i just wanted to say that you are a literal goddess
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@Rach: Probably not the best example. Mike Babcock is a bit overrated - Detroit just needed someone to keep the status quo. Case in point: first year that Lidstrom is not on the team, Detroit plummets so far they nearly get bumped to 9th place by Columbus. Scotty Bowman is a different story, however.

@PASD: lol, the Penguins twitter post is awesome. If you're Shero though, how do you manage the cap space issue now?
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If I'm Shero. You gotta get rid of some of this year's cap space (buy out Tanner Glass). You have to start using the young talent ( Bennett, Despres) more. You re-sign either Cooke or Duper (not going to get both).
The Penguins team is going to be a lot different next season, but I don't think that destroys Cup hopes.
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I'm sorry, but the chances of Pittsburgh winning the cup next year are zilch. How can they win the cup when Toronto will? :)

We'll even use this years parade plans for next year! :congrat:
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NES ~ I find you so irresistible | Bestias ~ You are a goddess
Salaxalans ~ RACH FOR NS QUEEN | Cpt Carrot ~ Can you get any more awesome? <3| It's always easy to be cheerful around you <3
Calvin Coolidge ~ Rach for NS Queen! \o/
Trinn ~ You're already super sexy and that can't really be outdone
Helle ~ EVERYONE wants to be like you <3 | Guys wanna be with you, and girls wanna be you :3
Praetor ~ Who needs 1500 WA nations when you have Solorni
Ninn ~ hi i just wanted to say that you are a literal goddess
Bran ~ Who doesn't want to be with Rach? She's fun, funny, an absolute delight and she has mountains of love to give to a cruel world. | Every inch of you is perfect <3
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Cocky, eh :P
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I prefer confident :)
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NES ~ I find you so irresistible | Bestias ~ You are a goddess
Salaxalans ~ RACH FOR NS QUEEN | Cpt Carrot ~ Can you get any more awesome? <3| It's always easy to be cheerful around you <3
Calvin Coolidge ~ Rach for NS Queen! \o/
Trinn ~ You're already super sexy and that can't really be outdone
Helle ~ EVERYONE wants to be like you <3 | Guys wanna be with you, and girls wanna be you :3
Praetor ~ Who needs 1500 WA nations when you have Solorni
Ninn ~ hi i just wanted to say that you are a literal goddess
Bran ~ Who doesn't want to be with Rach? She's fun, funny, an absolute delight and she has mountains of love to give to a cruel world. | Every inch of you is perfect <3
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I prefer confident :)
#PostsFromFirstPeriodOfGame7VsBoston. :P
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Funny :)

So what did you tweet in your teams series against Boston in game 7? Or 6? or 5?
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NES ~ I find you so irresistible | Bestias ~ You are a goddess
Salaxalans ~ RACH FOR NS QUEEN | Cpt Carrot ~ Can you get any more awesome? <3| It's always easy to be cheerful around you <3
Calvin Coolidge ~ Rach for NS Queen! \o/
Trinn ~ You're already super sexy and that can't really be outdone
Helle ~ EVERYONE wants to be like you <3 | Guys wanna be with you, and girls wanna be you :3
Praetor ~ Who needs 1500 WA nations when you have Solorni
Ninn ~ hi i just wanted to say that you are a literal goddess
Bran ~ Who doesn't want to be with Rach? She's fun, funny, an absolute delight and she has mountains of love to give to a cruel world. | Every inch of you is perfect <3
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Actually you can go and look. twitter.com/mjportash

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Oooh, I've love to > : )
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NES ~ I find you so irresistible | Bestias ~ You are a goddess
Salaxalans ~ RACH FOR NS QUEEN | Cpt Carrot ~ Can you get any more awesome? <3| It's always easy to be cheerful around you <3
Calvin Coolidge ~ Rach for NS Queen! \o/
Trinn ~ You're already super sexy and that can't really be outdone
Helle ~ EVERYONE wants to be like you <3 | Guys wanna be with you, and girls wanna be you :3
Praetor ~ Who needs 1500 WA nations when you have Solorni
Ninn ~ hi i just wanted to say that you are a literal goddess
Bran ~ Who doesn't want to be with Rach? She's fun, funny, an absolute delight and she has mountains of love to give to a cruel world. | Every inch of you is perfect <3
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If I'm Shero. You gotta get rid of some of this year's cap space (buy out Tanner Glass). You have to start using the young talent ( Bennett, Despres) more. You re-sign either Cooke or Duper (not going to get both).
The Penguins team is going to be a lot different next season, but I don't think that destroys Cup hopes.
The problem is depth. Pittsburgh's 2nd & 3rd lines will get demolished by other teams'. If Pitt wants a cup, Malkin is going to have to play like Crosby in the sense that he makes everyone around him better (exhibit A: Chris Kunitz).

Pittsburgh would be wise to let Kunitz walk or even trade him. He's going to demand a $5-$6 million salary basically for playing on Crosby's line. Beau Bennett can repalce him.
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