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Regional Government; What will it be?
Topic Started: 27 Jan 2013 - 03:30 (851 Views)
Andropoland
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Okay! We need to decide a few things related to the regional government. I also want to keep the momentum we've attained so far going, because once we lose that momentum we're going to start stagnating.

First questions: Should we set up a provisional government while we work on a Constitutional Convention, or should we just remain governmentless until the Convention is finished?

2. When should we start the Constitutional Convention? Should we start it now, wait for a few more people to show up, etc.?

3. How should we hold the Convention? Multiple meetings over IRC? Just on the forums? A mix of both?

4. Who will preside over it? I nominate and second myself. I also opened and closed the voting, so I already have the position. (P.S., this is why Zdenka won't let me have admin permissions. :P )

And, finally, what do you want the government of Barrayar to be like? Are there any things you want us to avoid? We're, obviously, going to be some kind of democratic state (Republic, Direct Democracy, Anarchy, etc.), but it would be nice to know what specifics you had in mind.

(Note: I believe that all the threads in "Suggestions and improvements" would look great in the "regional Reform" subforum instead. Just sayin'...)
Edited by Andropoland, 27 Jan 2013 - 04:56.
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Caninope
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27 Jan 2013 - 15:29
Caninope
27 Jan 2013 - 15:16
I think we should have something like the People's Republic of China, where official positions mean nothing. It's all about your informal powers in the party. :P
Why even set up a regional government if they can do nothing? Who would run?
Oh, the government could do stuff.

I was making fun of the fact that in the PRC and some regions of NS (I'm specifically thinking of an old dead region that I began my NS career in for anyone wondering), connections are what get things done, not the powers afforded to positions.
Edited by Caninope, 27 Jan 2013 - 15:36.
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Zdenka
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Andro's motion to head the Constitutional Convention is denied. :P

I agree with what people are saying, that we don't need a provisional government. I'm a little hesitant about using IRC, since not everyone is able to be on at the same time, and not everyone can use that technology. But I could be convinced either way.

I like Naybra's suggestion of a single President and a one-house Senate. Would letting the President appoint all the ministers and justices be giving him/her too much power, though?
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Caninope
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You could have the ministers and/or justices face Senate nomination.
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Western Isles of Naybra
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President is voted by the people for a set term. He appoints these cabinet members, ambassadors, judges and they than have to be approved by the senate with a 2/3 or 1/2 vote.

*I nominate Keita since he is our current WA Delegate.*
Edited by Western Isles of Naybra, 27 Jan 2013 - 16:21.
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Quinncunx
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When will people establish that Keita is a guy?
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27 Jan 2013 - 16:16
When will people establish that Keita is a guy?
Wait, Keita's a guy?

I thought it was an alien lizardwoman. Damn.
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Western Isles of Naybra
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Sorry, fixed it.
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Raven
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I think we should have an oligarchy. Am I early enough to be a founding nation? I can bring friends.
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Andropoland
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Now that I've had some time to think about this, here is my suggestion.

A unicameral Republic lead by a single Executive. Judges are elected by the people.

The House voting is held by limited-block vote. Executive by SNTV. Judges by block vote.

The Executive appoints his cabinet with approval from the House.



We need a clear legal system. Now, I know what you're all thinking, but I have an idea that can completely resolve all of our problems. We have three judges. They all hear the case. Basically, we have the prosecution and the defense duke it out for a day or two, present their evidence sometime along the way, and at the end it requires a unanimous vote among all three judges to convict. The best legal system is a loosely organized legal system. Anyone can represent anybody, there are no appointed Defenders or Prosecutors. And if things get out of line, all that needs to happen is for a judge to step in and calm things down.



We need to give the Ministers more power. In West, all we did was label what the Ministers should do; and never explicitly gave them the power to carry out those actions. So that needs to change.



I'd prefer we not base out system too much off the U.S. If anyone has a different name for the Executive than "President", please suggest it now. I don't like the sound of "President". :P
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Raven
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I think we should appoint a temporary oligarchical council to fill in any gaps in the law that the legislature misses
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Andropoland
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I really do hope you're joking. :P
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Zdenka
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I think there should not be an oligarchy of any kind. This region is and will stay representative. Don't make me use my dictatorial powers to make this be a democracy. ;)

Raven, please be aware that your actions remain under scrutiny.
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Zdenka
27 Jan 2013 - 19:50
Raven, please be aware that your actions remain under scrutiny.
B-)
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Andropoland
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That's Zdenka speak for "I still hate you for snitching us out to the government". :P

We're still cool as long as you hurry up on that Minecraft server. >_>

But, yeah. Oligarchy is definitely not going to happen. It's more like a dictatorship lead by Keita and Zdenka together at this point. Oh, wait, that would be an oligarchy. ;)
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Raven
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Okay well minecraft is giving me trouble. I have to set up a paypal account to buy the server and my bank is also pestering me.
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Judges do not need to be elected. Judges also do not need to require a unanimous verdict to convict. Finally, there needs to be a way to appeal.
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Zdenka
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This is not the place to discuss Westphalian-based MineCraft. Thank you.

Andro, please look up the definition of oligarchy. :)

However it's set up, I want to be sure to keep admin functions and legal functions entirely separate. Though admin actions should have an appeals process too, of course.
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Andropoland
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Raven
27 Jan 2013 - 20:24
Okay well minecraft is giving me trouble. I have to set up a paypal account to buy the server and my bank is also pestering me.
Ooh... that sucks. we could always just join another server, maybe a cracked one. I've been looking around, but it's always more fun with friends. :)

I hate law, but the only thing worse than law is having the lawyers in charge of making the legal system. We need something simple, quick and not too complicated. Our legal system shouldn't be based off of real-life legal systems, because we've all seen how those turn out.
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Oligarchy is a group of people who have supreme power in gov't, more or less.
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Zdenka
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Further posts in this thread discussing Minecraft will be suppressed. Thank you.
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