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| Tweet Topic Started: 3 Feb 2013 - 14:54 (561 Views) | |
| Deleted User | 3 Feb 2013 - 14:54 Post #1 |
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THE TREATY OF LIEMON This Treaty signifies that the following regions have come into the compliance with the laws of the Liemon Council, and will form the joint alliance known as the Allied Association of Regions. Islands of The Glorious Freedom The United Lands Barrayar ACA Ecnavian Federation Jesuitopolis Fraca Theramore Intergalactic Federacy Tychrome Bermuda Triangle The Vintagionian Empire The laws laid down by the Liemon Council and all of its subranches will be bided by, and if a regions does not bide by them, the said region will be put on probation. Further breaches of the law of the Treaty will result in expulsion. The Treaty, however, states that even after you have been expulsed, you may join, but with limited rights. The regions of the AAOR will be expected to vote on the resolutions suggested by the Liemon Council, and if the said regions do not vote, they will be not able to vote on the next resolution. This is the only “punishment” for not voting. The resolutions passed by the Council will represent the decisions of all the region who have signed the Treaty. Insulting any members of the AAOR, be them region or nation, will be taken as offense to all the member regions and nations of the AAOR. Insulting or challenging the Liemon Council government or the AAOR Heads of States will result in probation of the said region or nation. For insults or challenges coming from one nation, that nation will be held accountable and held in contempt of the Treaty, which will result in temporary abolishment of proposals suggested by that nation, if severe enough. For weaker insults, the nation will merely be put on Type 1 Probation. Type 1 Probation- Mild type of probation. The nation is not held for anything except one insult. Type 2 Probation- Moderate form of probation. The nation is held accountable for insults exceeding 2 figures. Type 3 Probation- The nation has insulted an entire region, or challenged the Liemon Council or the AAOR. The nation will be held on extreme probation in which the nation will not be able to vote on further resolution until a trial is passed. This probation will not be used in only very extreme cases. The AAOR will also be able to recruit new regions into the Treaty, but they will be expected, as any other region, to follow the rules of the Treaty. The regions of the AAOR now sign here: Islands of The Glorious Freedom The United Lands Barrayar ACA Ecnavian Federation Jesuitopolis Fraca Theramore Intergalactic Federacy Tychrome Bermuda Triangle The Vintagionian Empire |
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| Caninope | 3 Feb 2013 - 15:26 Post #2 |
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Did I miss something? When did we join this? |
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| Western Isles of Naybra | 3 Feb 2013 - 15:34 Post #3 |
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We haven't yet. This is the treaty for us to sign. It says Barrayar because we're one of the regions they're offering this to. |
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| Andropoland | 3 Feb 2013 - 19:08 Post #4 |
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I say we put this off until we are larger. Like, 100+ nations. No way we're going into an alliance being the underdog. ![]() If we're going to be in an alliance, we're going to need to own that alliance, if you know what I'm saying. |
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| Cleverwhatever | 3 Feb 2013 - 23:00 Post #5 |
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Could we get some links or facts about these regions? |
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| Zdenka | 4 Feb 2013 - 01:55 Post #6 |
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I've been finding it difficult to get information from the Council/Alliance. Right now I don't see an advantage in joining, partly because it's so vague and we'd be bound to abide by their resolutions. I'd be happy to have more info, however. After we've had a chance to discuss this a bit, I'll put up a poll so Barrayar can vote on joining or not joining. |
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| Nerod | 4 Feb 2013 - 01:59 Post #7 |
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Emperor of the GNNE. Founder President of the Meritocratic Party of Barrayar.
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The Great New Nerodian Empire (GNNE) also wants more information and withdraws any previous statements. |
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| Zdenka | 6 Feb 2013 - 14:41 Post #8 |
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Given the recent silliness on the RMB, do we even need to vote on this? I'll hold a vote if people want. But it seems to me that if they're ordering us around even before we join, it wouldn't get better afterwards. And I'm not seeing any advantages to the treaty. Basically, I think we should reject it. Any comments?
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| Nerod | 6 Feb 2013 - 15:08 Post #9 |
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Emperor of the GNNE. Founder President of the Meritocratic Party of Barrayar.
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The GNNE likes Zdenka's statement. |
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| Deleted User | 6 Feb 2013 - 15:54 Post #10 |
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Ok. I agree they had no right doing that. I'll get you info on the alliance, Zdenka. Nerod, please don't freak out anymore. I've known the commander for a long time and he just gets edgy sometimes I really don't like how you called me The Rat, Nerod. It is my job as amvassador to give reports back to the Council. |
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| Deleted User | 6 Feb 2013 - 20:13 Post #11 |
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Islands of The Glorious Freedom The United Lands ACA Ecnavian Federation Jesuitopolis Fraca Theramore Intergalactic Federacy Tychrome Bermuda Triangle The Vintagionian Empire Sovereign Commonwealth of McQuaid The Allied Epic Nations These are the regions of AAOR. Nerod, I'm not a rat. |
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| Cleverwhatever | 6 Feb 2013 - 22:44 Post #12 |
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There isn't a single region in that list than has more than 30 nations. |
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| Zdenka | 6 Feb 2013 - 23:42 Post #13 |
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Coconut Horse, what would be the advantages to Barrayar from joining this alliance? |
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| Deleted User | 7 Feb 2013 - 00:25 Post #14 |
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In short, everything. The resolutions would appeal more to you guys because of your size. We can also debate on things (If you send a puppet to the Liemon Council and AAOR :D) that affect all our regions, not just you guys. Your proposals on resolutions are more likely to be passed, due to the (again) your size. Currently, 11 regions with 136 nations. With your help, that number would raise to 175 nations in 12 regions. Also, you guys have the right to propose resolutions that require all of us in general, so tehnically, by one resolution, you could take control of the whole Alliance, which I hope you don't do :S On the other hand, we could do the same to you, so don't get any funny ideas >:D The other "bad" things that you wouldn't benefit from are very few, they are the following. 1. Your resolution might be scrapped if another region proposes a response to that resolution and it is passed to scrap it. 2. If you get past a Level 3 probation, you will be !!!temporarily!!! expulsed from the AAOR, with a period of time lasting 20 days until re joining. Those are the only bad things. And now the good things: 1. Your resolution could mean the increase in strength to rival several large regions, which will go nameless for now. 2. Resolutions that are passed can affect ALL of our regions, as well as the Council and the AAOR, the Grand Army, and the other branches. So technically, a region could temporarily dissolve the Council, but that is so incredibly bad, most people would vote to call the Black Hawks on the region. I'm not saying anything about invasions, but we're all a little frightened in the Council if someone tries to topple us. 3. You can get the recognition of many other regions, and pass a law that makes them recruit for you. I'd LOVE to have puppets from your region in the Council, posting ideas for resolutions in the RMB. There are others, but I can't remember them. I hope you can all convene a vote to see if you want a signature to it. |
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| Deleted User | 7 Feb 2013 - 00:26 Post #15 |
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@CleverWhatever: That doesn't really matter right now. Don't act as if your so high and mighty compared to all these regions, which, as I remember, are only 10 nations behind you. |
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| Zdenka | 7 Feb 2013 - 17:07 Post #16 |
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I am not seeing any citizens speaking in favor of the alliance. Unless I hear objections shortly, I will conclude that the will of the people is to reject membership in the AAOR/Liemon Treaty and convey that officially to the appropriate parties. |
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| Deleted User | 7 Feb 2013 - 22:01 Post #17 |
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If that is the case, I will immediately depart for the Liemon Council. Mainly the reason people aren't agreeing is because no one has posted an opinion here yet
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| Jeuropia | 7 Feb 2013 - 22:57 Post #18 |
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I think the resistance, on my part, for this treaty stems from its vagueness. Perhaps, the council could convene to work on the wording and definitions. Specifically, I would identify all subdivisions of the council in the treaty. Then I would describe the process for passing laws, and I would further describe what is meant by insulting or challenging. Because challenging the council might not be a bad thing if it leads to a positive change. There are some other things but I think you get the gist. Of course, these reflections and ideas may be my inexperience in this game talking. If so just please provide constructive criticism. |
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| Cleverwhatever | 7 Feb 2013 - 23:06 Post #19 |
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No, you're right on target. I think that may be the biggest reason for many of us.The council seems authoritarian as well, especially with the part about not being able to insult or challenge the council. As Jeuro said above, challenging may not be a bad thing if it leads to positive change. Agrigal suppressed Andro's post without any reason and was rude about us being taken of the list insisting that it was not out of niceness. We have been treated as a member far before we signed the treaty or moved a puppet to the region. Myself, Freddy, Nerod as well as Andro have all voiced criticism or flat out said that we oppose the signing of the treaty too. |
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| Deleted User | 7 Feb 2013 - 23:28 Post #20 |
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Authoritarian?? Are you joking? The Council i so democratic, that if a law is passed, everyone will have to abide by it. I don't think the commander liked Andropoland coming to the Council just to say that "we can read this" . I don't like it either. Jeuropia, the current branches are: 1. AAOR, an alliance that signifies the Liemon Council over several regions 2. The Grand Army of Liemon, an army of WA Members that will defend us at any cost. |
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I think that may be the biggest reason for many of us.
8:18 AM Jul 11