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Adminstrative Office; get mod/admin help here
Topic Started: 20 Feb 2013 - 05:06 (840 Views)
Zdenka
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This is the office of your friendly local admins. Here, you can:

-bring up technical matters which an admin should see to
-point out a thread which has gotten out of hand in some manner
-appeal admin/mod decisions (the decision will be reviewed by an uninvolved mod/admin)*

You can also PM Keita or me if it is more appropriate for something to be brought up in private.

For things which have their own dedicated threads (e.g. citizenship, application for a political party, etc.), please continue to do that in the appropriate thread! This is for issues which don't have a specific place to go.

Any questions? You know where to find us. :)

*Unless we can't find one, in which case we will play it by ear and do our best.
Edited by Zdenka, 20 Feb 2013 - 05:13.
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Nerod
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Emperor of the GNNE. Founder President of the Meritocratic Party of Barrayar.
Zdenka is abusing of her power!!
I knew this was going to happen... I KNEW IT!!
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Western Isles of Naybra
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Zdenka, I recommend you approve or deny the temporary government. We need an answer and a continuation of the polls. You saw my poll schedule for the Executive Branch and I offer to post them and manage it with your approval. I know how you feel about making important decisions without the consent of Keita, but I can tell you are under a lot of burden. I'm trying to help the best I can and complete task I know I can help you the best at. If you need anything, feel free to TG or PM me. Thank you.
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Viisbyax
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@last post on previous page
Oh please. The people who run the community have a right to ensure its prosperity and maturity. Stopping childish acts like that is totally justified.
Edited by Viisbyax, 6 Mar 2013 - 00:11.
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Viisbyax
6 Mar 2013 - 00:11
@last post on previous page
Oh please. The people who run the community have a right to ensure its prosperity and maturity. Stopping childish acts like that is totally justified.
A community should be self policing, and shouldn't need some intervention from the administration team based on what an administrator gets irritated by.

I've admined forums. I've had to deal with people who acted stupid. I've had to deal with drama queens in past forums. The answer is not to get up on your high horse and act like your feces doesn't stink. Zdenka and Keita rallied against administrator abuse, and used that as a justification to set up this region. They shouldn't commit the very trespasses they rallied against.
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Zdenka
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Caninope, Viis, this is not the place for an argument. Caninope, your request for an appeal is acknowledged. I will post a thread in the admin forum asking Keita to look at the thread and deliver a second opinion. I don't know when he will next log on, but presumably you don't want me judging the appeal of my own decision.

Caninope, you seem to have the mistaken impression that the Zetaboards rules are the only limits to one's behavior on this forum. That is incorrect.
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Zdenka
6 Mar 2013 - 17:47
Caninope, you seem to have the mistaken impression that the Zetaboards rules are the only limits to one's behavior on this forum. That is incorrect.
I'd me nice if you could link to these rules.

Considering ya know, I've not seen them written anywhere and we don't have a functioning RP government.
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Zdenka
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Western Isles of Naybra
5 Mar 2013 - 23:11
Zdenka, I recommend you approve or deny the temporary government. We need an answer and a continuation of the polls. You saw my poll schedule for the Executive Branch and I offer to post them and manage it with your approval. I know how you feel about making important decisions without the consent of Keita, but I can tell you are under a lot of burden. I'm trying to help the best I can and complete task I know I can help you the best at. If you need anything, feel free to TG or PM me. Thank you.
Naybra, thank you for your calm and considerate tone. It makes things much more pleasant. :)

Tomorrow, I will do my best to locate Keita in the non-Barrayar places he hangs out, but if I can't, I will still make a decision on the moderator applications. Because you are right, I can't do this by myself.

I will take another look at the temporary government thing as well. I will -- if I can -- make an official ruling on that, or post a schedule for the next few polls, or both, by the end of Friday. I am not absolutely promising, but it is likely to happen if 1) nothing explodes and 2) people don't use up all my energy by being hostile.
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Zdenka
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Caninope
6 Mar 2013 - 23:20
Zdenka
6 Mar 2013 - 17:47
Caninope, you seem to have the mistaken impression that the Zetaboards rules are the only limits to one's behavior on this forum. That is incorrect.
I'd me nice if you could link to these rules.

Considering ya know, I've not seen them written anywhere and we don't have a functioning RP government.
You're right, they aren't written down. :) And they should be. I would be more sympathetic to your feelings over this if it didn't seem that you want rules precisely so you can rules-lawyer around them.

It is not a new thing that the admins admin the forum. It's been true from the beginning and will remain true. In deciding what is or is not allowed, we've pretty much tried to be guided by common sense, good taste, and what will make the forum run smoothly, with appeals as needed. I am not going to try to write a set of rules that would cover every conceivable situation. I am willing and able to write down the broad principles of conduct under which I expect people to act here. It's one of the things I've been meaning to do. Shall I consider this a request to move it higher on my priority list? :)

Having a functional RP government will obviate some of the current admin functions (thank goodness), but not all of them. I will still, I expect, step in when necessary to point out inappropriate comments or lock a thread that has become too heated. Because, ya know, I am an admin and that is the admin's job. The difference from Westphalia or Renaissance is that admins here will not play politics or take sides. If admins take action, it will not be to support or suppress any group or individual, but simply to keep this forum a place where the good things can happen without being choked in nastiness or drama.

In running Barrayar, there are many, many things which are negotiable or where I will accept majority rule. This is not negotiable: this forum will remain a place where people act with basic civility and decency toward each other, and the admins will enforce that as necessary. I have tried to make that clear from the beginning. If you find the concept completely intolerable, it might be time to start thinking about founding a region where you can set things up in the way you deem appropriate -- as Keita, Andro, and I did in founding Barrayar.
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You're right, they aren't written down. :) And they should be. I would be more sympathetic to your feelings over this if it didn't seem that you want rules precisely so you can rules-lawyer around them.

I reject the idea that "rules-lawyering" is bad. It implies that (a) sloppy rules should stay in place and (b) "lawyering" is bad.

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It is not a new thing that the admins admin the forum. It's been true from the beginning and will remain true.

You're right. You admin the forum, you don't run the community. There's a legitimate difference and distinction.

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In deciding what is or is not allowed, we've pretty much tried to be guided by common sense, good taste, and what will make the forum run smoothly, with appeals as needed. I am not going to try to write a set of rules that would cover every conceivable situation. I am willing and able to write down the broad principles of conduct under which I expect people to act here. It's one of the things I've been meaning to do. Shall I consider this a request to move it higher on my priority list? :)

You should consider it a definite request. All the same, shutting something down because you think it might be a dramatic appeal for attention is not in good taste or even common sensical. The common sensical thing to do would have been to judge the thread as it happened, not to judge it because something might happen.

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I will still, I expect, step in when necessary to point out inappropriate comments or lock a thread that has become too heated. Because, ya know, I am an admin and that is the admin's job.

Neither of those things refer to the thread you locked.

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The difference from Westphalia or Renaissance is that admins here will not play politics or take sides.

You guys effectively already have.

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If admins take action, it will not be to support or suppress any group or individual, but simply to keep this forum a place where the good things can happen without being choked in nastiness or drama.

That doesn't even apply to the thread you locked though.

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In running Barrayar, there are many, many things which are negotiable or where I will accept majority rule. This is not negotiable: this forum will remain a place where people act with basic civility and decency toward each other, and the admins will enforce that as necessary. I have tried to make that clear from the beginning. If you find the concept completely intolerable, it might be time to start thinking about founding a region where you can set things up in the way you deem appropriate -- as Keita, Andro, and I did in founding Barrayar.

That doesn't apply to the thread you locked. Nothing about it failed to meet common standards of decency or civility. There is no high horse here. You locked a thread based on a personal conception of what it might become, and that's not the job of an administrator. The job of an administrator is to lock a thread based on what it has already become.
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Zdenka
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Okay, basically, all of this is going on about the thread I locked. Or if there's other stuff, it's getting lost in the clutter.

Your appeal has been lodged. Procedurally, nothing else can happen with that until Keita shows up for a second opinion. So, as far as I can tell, you are clogging a thread that is supposed to be for urgent business, with a matter where you are already being given what you want (i.e., a reconsideration of the admin decision). I do not consider this a good use of my time.
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