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Day 1; My Notes
Topic Started: Oct 10 2012, 03:06 AM (116 Views)
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Choral 5

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Atomyk Ebonpyre
w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085522&t=8148123
"It being understood that one of my family's many positions in life to herd paltry commoners such as yourselves, I shall lead this endeavour by example."

contains role breadcrumb?

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Broken Clock sports hesitant reaction to early voting stage,
attracts notice of Elevator who points this out.

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Derse Dreamers dislikes Elevator for the fact that Elevator said she thought Derse was town based on the Alphabetical vote for mafia reasoning.

Claims it reeks of inside information. Personally, I'm not seeing it. That said, I don't think the alphabetical voting is town or anti-town mindset.

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Clockstopper comes in and claims hated townie

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Elevatorstuck counters Derse's assault by saying she didn't actually vote for Broken based on her suspicion.

Personally, not voting on your suspicion is bad play. Especially early day 1 where you don't have other larger suspicions to fall back on. Skipping out on the valid complaint to vote for Skaian does seem a bit odd, after reflection.

This is perhaps worse because Skaian was voting for Broken Clock. Perhaps even for similar reasons of distaste at the passive nature?

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Derse then misuses OMGUS, this becomes a point of interest later, if I remember right.

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Iron Knight
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085548&t=8148123
this attracts a lot of attention at him

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Atomyk Ebonpyre
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085559&t=8148123

Expresses similar opinions on the badness of Elevator, but then votes for Iron Knight. Hypocrisy?

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Elevator adds to the Iron Knight wagon, for his unwillingness to put his $ where his mouth is (aka vote), and also for calling out Clockstopper as "suspicious" instead of just unexpected.

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Broken Clock disagrees with Derse's push against Elevator. Claims the logic doesn't make sense.

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English
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085576&t=8148123

Votes for misuse of jargon and for playing the game seriously. Seems in bad taste.

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Flare
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085579&t=8148123

Very content heavy post, I like it. Thinks Elevator is exercising appeasement, trying to get in Derse's good opinion. I never would have suspected that as a motive, to be honest.

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Iron Knight replys that he's confused he's getting votes for not producing content while Broken Clock was given a pass. "Why me?" -> Fry me.

Also, unless I miss my mark Broken Clock actually wasn't given a free pass, Skaian voted him. Granted he switched after, but he still voted him, and I presume for that very reason.

Says he dislikes Derse for starting discussion and bringing attention to themself. Cannot say I agree with this.

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Elevator comes back disagrees with Flare, saying he isn't "coaching" Derse or anything. The indictment was appeasing, trying to buddy up, get in good grace, etc.

Echoes Iron Knights hollow claim that Broken and Iron were equivalent. Perhaps it's true that responses have grown disproportionate based on who was active at the time to see it, but they were both bad and they should both feel bad.

Honestly, not impressed.

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Elevator
Calls out Sburban on a bandwagon hop, calls out Iron Knight for the same thing she'd just defended them on (acknowledging it looks strange to do so).

Honestly, it does look strange. What the fuck are you doing?

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Another Jungle comes in with the vote on Broken. Also FoS Flare for his having called out Elevator for responding to "everything". Feels that's an unjust accusation, and that producing content is not bad unless the way it is produced is bad, which he does not feel Elevator is guilty of.

I think perhaps he is taking Flare too literally, but I could be wrong.

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Iron Knight votes Derse. Feels weak to me, but, eh.

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Upward Movement disagrees that Sburban's switch was a wagon hop, feels it was too soon on the train to rightly be called a "wagon". I don't buy that excuse.

Proceeds to vote Sburb anyway because there was not explanation for the vote, and he thinks pressure will supply this info. Reasonable thing to do.

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Sburb shows back up, expresses puzzlement why Elevator voted for IK, but not for BC, when they were both doing the same thing.

Refuses to give more explanation for his votes. Calls this being "concise". Keeps his vote on Iron Knight because he feels he bent under pressure too easily.

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http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085604&t=8148123
Explore comes in, votes Iron Knight for the reason that "testing Clockstoppers claim is inexcusably bad". Under the assumption that this is done by full lynch, yes it is, but grace period exists. Easy mistake to miss, though, and depending on how the role works may or may not have been applicable without mod-confirm.

Does not like Skaian for adding the third vote to A Taste, as that's too much for the alphabet joke vote in his opinion.

Also, chock full of roleplay.

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English comes in and expresses disapproval for Sburb's reasoning that "posts with lots of words are tools that scum use" and claims there have been 3 page long gamewinning town posts. The think Sburb should criticize is fluffing, and padding. He thinks this line of attack is weak though.

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Iron Knight
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085609&t=8148123
I have made myself an unnecessary target, though I suppose my lynching wouldn't really be that detrimental to town in the long run. I'm not sure how beneficial my role would be as of yet. I suppose I'll claim that on deadline if I reach that, see if anything comes of it.

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Skaian
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085610&t=8148123
"And I'm just a wallflower at this dance, like I am at most."

breadcrumbing itp survivor?

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Sburb claims he has a town read he will not share.

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A little back and forth discussion between Another Jungle and Upward Movement, and Upward Movement brings up the idea of the grace period claim test.

This gives Upward some town points in my book. Scum would just sit on those ideas unless specifically fishing for town cred.

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Sburb points out Elevator as his secondary scum read. Warns against tunneling. Says they won't post unless they have a read, and won't try to force a read, in order to prevent themselves from tunneling.

Actually... kind of makes sense. My initial impression of Sburb on my first skim through was leaning scum, but the more detailed second pass is revising that.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085620&t=8148123

Now they're just uncooperative town, for misguided motives.

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Iron Knight is dropping multiple rp hints crumbs about archaelogy and dinosaur skeletons. Town Indiana Jones or Alan Grant?

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Orange Hat shows up and first post is pure defense of Iron Knight. No vote. eeeeeh.

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Upward Movement continues exchange with Sburb, working on clarifying misunderstandings on both sides. I like what I see.

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Rust Servant dismisses the Derse/Elevator interaction as paranoid town meeting scumhunter and not doing well.

Votes Flare???? (reasons: disagree with flare's logic, find him to be too aggressive, curious why he is acting neutral toward IK, ???, profit)

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Elevator just wants to drop the thing with Flare, just like she dropped the thing with Derse. Getting into squabbles and expecting them to go away usually doesn't work...

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Clockstopper is confused why Upward Movement isn't pressuring Iron Knight. Thinks Iron Knight is trying to blend in. Still thinks Elevator and Derse are infighting town. Wants English to post more. Not averse to a grace period claim test.

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MOD
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085659&t=8148123
"Extra votes do not change grace period numbers"
Since extra votes are not taken into account when determining grace period, that means that (as an example) assuming 18 living players, rather than 12 (half of the 133% possible vs a hated [24 -> 12]) the grace threshold remains at 9, or an actual user-count of 6.
This of course assumes that "numbers" referred to setting the threshold and not tallying the votes, which honestly, is the only interpretation I can read that doesn't collapse under its own weight.

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A Taste feels that Iron Knight is being crucified for an easy mistake. Agrees that sit-and-wait approach is bad, but feels massive over-reaction here.

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Another Jungle wagers a lot of mafia want to be on the wagon, either for early bus cred, or because of an easy mislynch.

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Time feels IK getting too much flak, doesn't like Taste, thinks it screams of active lurking. Feels Flare's vote against Elevator was opportunistic, and votes Flare.
Seriously?

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Dance of Thorns shows up, revisits Broken Clock equivalent to Iron Knight, also rehashes the Elevatorstuck issue. Seems a little leary of Flare's motivations, votes Elevator anyway.

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Sburb votes Dance of Thorns now for ignoring IK and instead focusing on Elevator. I disagree with his reasons, but can see why he might do this.

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Another Jungle votes Flare because aggression. Shitty reason for a vote.

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Broken Clock comes in and also votes for Flare for aggression. I seriously cannot believe why this is a thing. It may be worth doing some correlation studies or a votal progression map to see if anything drops out here. Is there scum striking at opportunism, or just a bunch of misguided town?

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Iron Knight votes Sburb for hostility. Weak

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Sburb disagrees with possibilty of scum!Flare. Explains he may have been overhasty in assigning the Dance<->Elevator connection as a bus, but felt it set off bells.

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Flare
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085706&t=8148123
"Broken Clock, I'm voting for the person I feel the most uneasy about. I've already addressed my "aggressiveness". My vote will change when I find somebody else scummier."


If so worried about Elevator, why did he vig someone else. What changed?

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Derse weighs in, decides Elevator is clumsy town instead of scum and unvotes.

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Another Jungle presses Derse for more explanation on this point.

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Flare
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085715&t=8148123
"Also, my top two reads are Elevator and IK. I mentioned IK a while ago (when Elevator accused me of tacking on the token "I don't like you, but I won't vote you!") because he's my number 2 scumread. I'd rather vote for my number 1."

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Dance clarifies his vote: " Elevator's reaction to only a very small amount of pressure looks worse in my eyes then IK's wishy-washy statement about not voting. "

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Showtime pops in with a quick-skim, votes Sburb for stifling discussion, and FOS Flare, for tone reasons.

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Sburb not happy about the Showtime vote, as it misrepresents him, FOS, but leaves his vote where it was.

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Rust Servant continues to misrepresent Flare's vote as primarily aobut "responding to everything"

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Elevatorstuck "When Clockstopper claimed, he claimed only what his role did and not the role name. At first glance, that's fishy for anyone to do, no matter the role."

Really? That doesn't strike me as fishy at all. In some places it's quite normal.

Goes on and makes a mountain out of a molehill of this to explain his change in opinion over Clockstopper.

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Sburb feels Elevator is coming across as more town

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Atomyk Ebonpyre correctly pegs Sburb as Weapons.

also posits a survey, works on leading town


http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085761&t=8148123
Would vote slash vig Upward Movement because he says too much to say too little and I can't think of anything notable he's done. Also he was on Sburban for bad reasons too. English is an example of a town reaction to Sburban's logic.

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How does he still feel about English?
Not really sure how he's getting that read on Upward, who is one of my prime town reads at the moment, tbqh.

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Either I misinterpreted Rein, or notEther Clockstopper did
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085782&t=8148123

also, apparently is sisters with scum. :( You can chose your friends but you can't choose your family.

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Upward moves off of Sburb, because backlash, and switches to English. Not exactly a great move, imo.

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English comes back with a shitty "Aww shucks" and an empty promise to be useful D2
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085799&t=8148123

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Atomyk Ebonpyre
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085804&t=8148123

Makes me want to post Posted Image

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Elevator pretty useful post
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085805&t=8148123
Elevator votes English for trying to use Free Pass.

Interestingly points out Flare's http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085777&t=8148123
is at odds with previous statements.

claims paperblade... dammit, why do you do this. This is going to make you look more pro-town now, and I wanted you dead badly for your ED1 bullshit.

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Rust Servant claims eclipse (okay, not really)

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One of Descend's few posts

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085835&t=8148123

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Giant skaian post
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085841&t=8148123

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Elevator on Derse "Kinda don't like how he addressed Atomyk, though. It makes it sound like he knows IK's alignment. Slip? "

I am not sure which post he is referring to here, and missed it on my runthrough notes apparently.

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Atomyk Ebonpyre
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085868&t=8148123
Begins the consolidation

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Orange Hat "feels" post
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085882&t=8148123

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Things sort of devolve into a shitstorm and I am having trouble continuing to focus on taking notes. I think I need sleep
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Everyone else is welcome to share opinions. I will provide the rest of page 3 and page 4 tomorrow morning, and then hopfully new topics for Night 1, and Day 2.
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Goddamn it feels good having a whole forum to play around by myself without fear of having the denizens vote me to hang because I might flub up on organizing, or pull a bonehead move that was supposed to spur discussion but then Prims latches on with tunnel vision or something.

*starts humming "Damn it feels good to be a ganster 8)"*
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Also, Rein, I hope you will accept this in lieu of a spreadsheet, or the occasional off-hand witty remarks in my role PM for whatever hostly needs you have to keep track of opinions on game slash my decision making processes.
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But it wasn't a cutscene.
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continuation from "feels" post

Derse makes an astounding bad post against Atomyk
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085885&t=8148123

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Elevator distances from the earlier IK wagon. "Not as memorable in hindsight".

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Orange Hat thinks IK looks town
also spends a /lot/ of posts without making any votes, despite prods from other users.

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Rusty
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085926&t=8148123

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Upward Movement
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085932&t=8148123

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Broken
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085939&t=8148123
"All this active-lurking, admitted and implied, makes me uneasy. "

Oh, my sides!

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Descend
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Choral_Mafia_V/single/?p=8085949&t=8148123
Scum user creates a wagon-tying vote at 5 apiece. Could be interesting.

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Rust Servant chastizes people for voting someone they think has forgot about the game, sticks her guns to this, and votes English instead. Seems pro-town.

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Nothing more but stacking and minor things, IMO.
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