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| Tweet Topic Started: 8 Jun 2014 - 14:47 (79 Views) | |
| Enigma | 8 Jun 2014 - 14:47 Post #1 |
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If there is one thing I hate it's when Tifa gets bashed for being a bad mother. Tifa is a young adult at 20 years old, and in AC is 22. She's taking care of children in a dystopian society where alot of death and destruction has happened, then to find out there is a fatal, incurable disease that affects children and adults alike. Tifa also has to take care of a bar, has to manage Cloud's delivery service, all while taking care of two children who aren't even her blood. Tifa also NEVER complains about them being there, even though she was pretty much saddled with them. Barret didn't ask her if he could leave Marlene with her, he just did. Cloud then brought a sick child into the house, but Tifa lets him stay there and never shuns him or treats him differently because he is ill. She loves these children to death and would do anything for them. She's only one person though, and is a young one at that. She is doing a great job for her age AND for the circumstance. Let's talk about Nani for a while. Nani from Lilo and Stitch who is seen fighting with her sister a lot, and who is even in danger of Lilo getting taken away from her because she can't provide for Lilo the correct way. Nani TRIES to the best of her ability. She was also just saddled with the responsibility of taking care of a child, and was forced into a mother role. Nani is no older than Tifa either. Nani was on her way to being a pro surfer until her parents died and she had to drop EVERYTHING in her life to take care of her sister. Nani also fears Lilo being taken from her and reacts in anger about how Lilo is a pain. Nani can only do SO much and has to leave Lilo home alone what seems like often in order to work and provide for them. Nani is never shown blaming Lilo for what happens, she doesn't blame her that she lost her job, she never ever tells Lilo to be something she isn't, and never tells Lilo that her hobbies are weird and she'll never make friends. Tifa does ALL she can to provide for herself AND these two children. She is never seen snapping at them or belittling them, and it's clear she provides for them the best she can. I am 100% positive Tifa would starve herself if it meant Marlene and Denzel could eat. Tifa would sacrifice all she has an more for these two children that don't even belong to her, and aren't even relatives. The children are shown to have great love for her as well. Marlene worried about Tifa after what happened to her in the church, even though Cloud told her that Tifa was alright Marlene demanded to talk to her. Denzel's love for Tifa was also shown when he woke up to find her past out. He reacts with great anger and charges at bahamut SIN for hurting his mother. Even yelling "son of a bitch!!!" He shows great concern when Tifa faces off against the shadow creature things, and runs to her once Cloud saves her. Even if Tifa isn't perfect, or the perfect mother, she will give her entire self just to make sure these children are safe and secure. She even lies to them about Cloud to make them feel at ease instead of worry. In the family pictures, she appears to be very loving with the two children. It's clear that the children have no problem with Tifa, but their problem is with Cloud. Denzel believes he's the reason Cloud left and misses him. Denzel is DYING and wants nothing more than Cloud at his side. Marlene gets angry and yells at Cloud "Forget it Cloud! Why don't you ever pay any attention to us?!" and runs off to hide in Vincent's cloak. Even though Cloud was going through his own issues at the time, the children miss him, and don't understand why he left. They are angry and frusterated at him for leaving them behind and leaving Tifa behind. Tifa is NOT a bad parent, nor did she fail as a parent. She's not perfect, but she does everything in her power to make sure the children are protected, feel loved and accepted, and are properly fed. This is what a parent can do and should do, make their child feel loved and accepted, as well as providing for them. Tifa does all of this. How is she a bad mother? |
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| Splash | 8 Jun 2014 - 22:33 Post #2 |
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She's doing pretty damn amazingly fantastically well for a 22 year old. Heck I have a casual bartending job and even that drains out your time energy and emotional resources. I don't even think it's possible IRL to have that full time manager role of both bar and delivery job while raising two kiddos as a single parent for a time. Unless someone looks after the kids for you or the are amazingly adept at taking care of themselves. Course there must be an amazing exceptions somewhere :D |
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| Enigma | 8 Jun 2014 - 22:58 Post #3 |
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Seriously. Tifa does so much and never even complains while Cloud can shake off his responsibilities and not even VISIT the children from time to time. The fact that his behavior gets excused as "because he loves Aerith and Tifa nags him anyway" I will ignore the first part since it makes no sense why he would prove his love to Aerith by abandoning the "child she brought to him" and secondly, Tifa doesn't nag him, and even if she did I wouldn't blame her. Yes what happened to Cloud was sad, and yes I identify with why he closed himself off,and yes I understand that he was hurting a lot but he isn't the only one with tragedy going on. He started neglecting his family and even ditched the kids, even a sick kid who really, really needed Cloud with him. Marlene's pain on Cloud leaving is clearly shown in the movie. I don't understand why Barret and Cloud get a free pass for their behavior while Tifa is shown to be the most capable damn parental figure who can care for the kids, spend time with them, make them feel loved, settle her past without leaving, be Cloud's emotional anchor and juggle two jobs, one of which is Cloud's responsibility to handle. Like, do not come to me and tell me that Tifa is a bad mother. She isn't. She's amazing. She is just a huge caretaker and care giver, which is why her symbolic meaning is love. |
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| Splash | 8 Jun 2014 - 23:24 Post #4 |
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Maybe the reasoning goes that if Tifa is a 1) bad mother and woman then she doesn't deserve to be loved by you know who... 2) Someone really don't like her so defy canon portrayals to justify their dislike. 3) They are much harder on women than on men in general. Idk. But people are entitled to their opinions and feelings when it comes to fiction people. Freedom of thought. I will however oppose statements or stupid arguments that directly contradict Tifa's kind and family oriented character as told by official sources and developer's words. Also in addition to all that Tifa manages to remain slim and fit, lol that's an achievement too :P Edited by Splash, 8 Jun 2014 - 23:46.
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| Enigma | 9 Jun 2014 - 00:41 Post #5 |
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And still finds time to look great lol. Yeah some people are way more harsh and males than females. Or when people call Tifa overrated and their favorite character is Cloud?!?! Or calling Tifa a bad mother and ignore how emotionally hurtful Cloud's actions were to the children, or Barret choosing to settle his past instead of devoting his time to the future of his daughter, and, omg Tifa is a bad stereotypical waifu! But the guys? Nah they're perfectly justified. Tifa being a bad mother claim bothers me alot because she's not a bad mom in the least. There's plenty of other mothers in media such as Rosa from Umineko, who physically and emotionally abuses her daughter. In a lot of ways, Tifa is like Cloud's mother. A single mother raising children the best she can. Cloud's mother only had one kid and look at how Cloud behaves or even how he behaved as a child. Getting into fights all the time which Cloud admitted he would pick fights not caring who it was with, and how at 14 he leaves to join soldier and his mother is apparently ok with this idea. There's so many other questionable actions by parents in the FF7 universe, yet all of this is taken out on Tifa. All I'm saying is Tifa is unfairly judged because of her relationship with a certain blonde guy. |
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| Splash | 9 Jun 2014 - 01:20 Post #6 |
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Huh. Actually when I play devil's advocate and try to agree well, how is Tifa a bad mother? At all? - Is it because she took out Marlene's school money to pay Cloud for his mercenary job in FF7. However at that time Tifa hadn't undertaken a mother role for Marlene and that was still Barret's final say. So Barret as her main foster dad was the leader of Avalanche and consented to taking Marlz out of school. The onus is on him, or Cloud who demanded a high pay to help them fight. - Tifa left Marlene at the bar to bomb a reactor. Okay I admit that was awkward thing to do (leave a four year old) but at the time Tifa still hadn't legally adopted Marlene or held custodial rights over her. So irresponsible move yes, but ALL responsibilty shouldn't be placed on her. There were other people living in the bar who could have spoken up and may have known Barret and Marlene longer than her. - She woke up Marlene from her sleep in cot. How dare she? -She took in a sick kid who adults shunned, gave him a bed, fed him real food when he had been searching for rats as dinner (read case of denzel :'( ) and had the gall to propose that Aerith brought him into her life for both Cloud and her to care for. If your last line is true it doesn't matter. Horrible mothers still do have functioning relationships with their partner. Even mothers who murder still have marriage and relationships. This is so morbid. Can we talk more about Tifa's fitness regimen. How does she maintain martial arts mastery with that type of lifestyle. :D |
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| Enigma | 9 Jun 2014 - 01:38 Post #7 |
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Yes, Barret being in a family is used to disprove romance between Tifa and Cloud. Because there is no Cloti who says Barret isn't part of the family. I think Tifa is labeled as a bad mother because she taught Marlene how to make alcoholic drinks and she left her alone at the bar, but that isn't TIFA'S responsibility. That's BARRET'S you know...Marlene's FATHER. And Tifa didn't take the money out, Barret agreed although he mentions it's for Marlene's schooling. So, none of those are Tifa's fault. Barret is the parent, why didn't he draw some boundaries? And yeah teaching a kid to make alcoholic drinks and leaving her alone in a bar is not a very responsible thing to do, but where was THE FATHER in all this? God, if I had written FF7 it would have been soooo much darker. |
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| Splash | 9 Jun 2014 - 02:02 Post #8 |
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Its severe violation of responsible service of alcohol to let a kid mix and serve drinks in my state. Lol that incurs a 25 grand fine for the restaurant breaching the law. But the government and police force in ff7 is, different. And I guess they have more pressing matters to deal with than monitoring alcohol consumption. Recklessness ensues then. On the other hand Marlene will probably be Gaias best mixologist when she comes of age. |
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| Godoka | 10 Jun 2014 - 01:27 Post #9 |
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The whole Marlene thing always made me roll my eyes. This is obviously not your typical family, and I really doubt Tifa would allow Marlene to mix drinks and handle the bar if she felt it were unsafe. Barret ALSO had no problem with this, people place all the blame on Tifa as if she is actually Marlene's Mother. In any case I'm sure Marlene does anything she can to help including things like this. We have to remember that Seventh Heaven is like their HOME it's their safe haven. If Marlene ran into real trouble? Did people forget there is a secret underground that she can get to? They probably know most of the people around that area. A lot of people are probably regulars that would PROTECT Marlene. Seriously... |
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| Alessa Gillespie | 11 Jun 2014 - 02:41 Post #10 |
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the real reason is because how dare anyone be alright with leaving a kid at a bar ESPECIALLY if she wants to date the mc, better start burning those torches and bring along pitchforks
Edited by Alessa Gillespie, 11 Jun 2014 - 02:42.
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