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Are Cloud and Tifa compatible?
Topic Started: 11 Jun 2014 - 01:19 (126 Views)
Enigma
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It's been a long argument. There's things about Cloud and Tifa aren't compatible because they're too similar, or they are proven to not be compatible because they're shown fighting all the time (this is so untrue it's laughable)

And there's this thing about...opposites attract. Well, this isn't necessarily true. You make friends based on what you have in common and how well you get along. So why would you fall in love with someone who was opposite to you?

Who would want to live with someone, even marry someone, who has little to nothing in common with you?

In Christian religion, it is generally advised not to marry someone who is of a different religion. Most people don't exactly know why, they just know they shouldn't do it.

The reason being, is if you marry someone who is a different religion than you, it is called unevenly yoked. What a yoke is, is a group of animals who are harnessed together so they are all going in the same direction. If they are unevenly yoked, you will have some animals going in the direction you're suppose to, and others going off in a different direction.

This causes chaos when they are unevenly yoked. This is where the whole, yoke marriage comes from. If two people are of different religions, one will either need to convert probably, for things to go in a smooth direction. If these two people have children, what religion will the children follow?

This is where the idea comes from. Now, what I am getting at is...it's GOOD to agree on things that are important. Another example is politics. Say, one person is a democrat while the other is a republican. One is very open minded about things, while the other is more traditional.

You can understand how this would cause problems in a household as well.

So, now that I've already set the stage. My point is what makes people compatible? What they have in common of course!

What makes them work in the long run? Differences! It's good to agree on things, but also good to have a difference of opinion like what colors are good, or what music you like, or just small things like that. One loves fish, the other can't stand it at all.

Opposites do not necessarily attract, or work out in the long run. So, I actually took this into consideration for Cloud and Tifa and looked up psychology on relationships. I actually found a list of ten signs to show you are compatible. And, this entire build up, relates to the first thing on the list.

#1. Shared values.
You don’t need to agree on everything in a relationship, in fact having different opinions on movies, music, and other small stuff is healthy. But when it comes to the big values in life – family, trust, respect, honesty, etc. you will have a hard time making your relationship last into the future if you don’t agree on what’s important.


Would you say that Tifa and Cloud agree on most things? Would you say they are a family with trust, RESPECT, and honesty? Cloud showed great guilt in hiding things from Tifa, and always ended up confessing to her. (this is before he gets a fatal illness)

#2. Ability to be yourself.
If you are able to relax and be your true self around your significant other then you have a great chance at a lasting future together. Putting on an act gets old really fast and takes too much energy. You want them to like you for who you really are without feeling pressure to be perfect.


This is evident for both Tifa and Cloud. For Tifa, it's claimed that she only wants a perfect hero...but when Cloud remarks that he's not famous or a hero he's not able to fulfill the promise. Tifa is not concerned with any of that. She isn't concerned with the fact he never made it into soldier, and she doesn't make Cloud feel bad when he buys a motorcycle in exchange for free drinks without consulting her first. She even says it made her sad that Cloud had his own world, but she was also happy that he had something he enjoyed. He is clearly free to be himself around her. She even patiently and lovingly welcomes him back home after his guilt.

Now Cloud...He's seen some sides of Tifa he probably never thought he'd see. He's seen her cry, he's seen her in some pathetic states, and he's seen her absolutely scared for her life. When she acts all gloomy, she just remarks that it's the way she is, and he says it isn't. He says she's much more cheerful and strong, and says he will remind her if she forgets, but when she is upset he always does his best to comfort her and show her everything is ok.

He even saw her in the horrible state she was in when her mother died. These two have no need to pretend to be something they aren't infront of each other. Cloud even patiently waits for Barret to leave them alone before asking her what's wrong.

#3. Ability to disagree.
You won’t always agree on everything and being able to voice different opinions and get into occasional arguments is a healthy part of any relationship. If every time you disagree you wind up in an explosive fight, you probably aren’t meant to be. If you can agree to disagree and respect each other’s opinions you know you’re in a strong and healthy relationship.


Wow, so a sign that you're compatible is being able to -gasp- DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER?! And the fact that being able to do this shows a STRONG and HEALTHY relationship? Who'd a thunk it?

Anyway, Tifa and Cloud are shown to disagree on some things, but if you all remember they reach a COMMUNE with each other :giggle:

I recommend going and reading Splash's article on a commune, I don't have time to cover it here.

#4. Ability to spend time apart.
It’s important to have your own friends and interests and to be able to spend time on those things without worrying about your partner getting jealous, annoyed or threatened. You should both have your own lives and not need to spend every second together. If you can do that, you’re well on your way to relationship happiness.


As I stated in #2, Cloud has his own world. Yes Tifa would like to be a part of it, but she understands it's his space, and she respects it! She doesn't "nag" him about telling her of everything. She even laughs when he apologizes for "not consulting"

#5. You have each other’s back.
No matter what happens, you should feel secure in knowing that your boyfriend or girlfriend will defend you and support you, even if no one else will. If you can’t stand up for each other, it probably won’t last.


There's so many I can't even count. Even if Cloud may be a little late, she knows he will come for her. Cloud also knows Tifa's got his back too. As he says "You[Marlene], Denzel, and Tifa. You've always been there for me when I needed you."

Also, I thought it was cute that Tifa learned martial arts so she wouldn't have to wait around and be saved all the time. She wanted to fight too, and with her skills, she's saved Cloud many a time. She is, after all, a lover and close ally in combat :3

#6. Ability to laugh together.
Life can get hard sometimes and one secret to a long lasting relationship is being able to laugh together. Finding humor in any situation and being able to have fun is a great way to handle whatever life throws at you.


Let me actually grab direct quotes for this

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It had been a long time since Tifa and Cloud burst out laughing.


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The silly little conversations he had with Tifa were also back.


#7. Trust.
If you can’t trust your partner, you need to ask yourself why you’re with them in the first place. Constantly doubting them and wondering what they’re really up to is exhausting and you won’t be able to maintain that for very long. You’ll also never feel comfortable letting your guard down if you’re worried that they’ll someday betray you.


Cloud couldn't turn his back on Tifa even if he wanted to. Tifa wouldn't either. If someone said that Tifa had joined Shinra or Sephiroth you know Cloud would react in anger that "She would never do that!"

Cloud and Tifa would never betray each other. In fact, in Duodecim, he betrays CHAOS to save Tifa instead of fighting her. He even fights his own ALLY for Tifa, an enemy.

#8. Equality.
Are you equal partners? Do you value each other’s interests equally? If not you’ll have a hard time making it past the honeymoon stage of your relationship. It’s important to give and take and prioritize each other equally. One person’s life shouldn’t dominate while the other person takes a back seat.


I know people will blow this one out of context. When Cloud and Tifa were having problems, it's because Cloud was struggling with guilt, and then he got Geostigma. When we see Tifa, we see them comprimising and...reaching...communes ;D

These two have no problem doing things for each other. Tifa cleans his office, and Cloud goes out to get vegetables without her even asking him too.

#9. Attraction.
Of course you were attracted to each other when you first got together. But will you still feel this way if you’re together long term? And it’s not just about looks – being attracted to their personality as well as their looks is key for long lasting love rather than just lust.


Cloud and Tifa have been holding each other in favor for YEARS before expressing their feelings to each other under the HW as confirmed by the 25th anniversary.

Also, Cloud likes Tifa for her emotional strength and cheerfulness, and to Tifa...Cloud is her hero and her ideal love (confirmed by ac prologue.)


#10. Being there through the good and the bad.
It’s easy to stand by each other through life’s fun times, but look for a partner who can be there for you and support you through the hard times too. When life gets tough they should be the one you turn to for love and support.


Tifa never abandons Cloud when he's having issues, yes she's frustrated, but she's there for him. Even Cloud said Tifa was always there for him when he needed it. When Tifa is having doubts, Cloud says he'll be there for her. He also says he'll be fine because he has her with him this time.

I mean jeez! She stayed by his side when he was comatose and refused to leave him! Cloud is obsessed with protecting people because of his promise to Tifa. These two are always together, through bad times, and through good times.

Yes, Cloud and Tifa are compatible!









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I recommend going and reading Splash's article on a commune, I don't have time to cover it here


Lol I just like to point that it was less of an article but more of a brief passage about its definitions. Alessa and I agree that what constitutes 'reaching a commune' can be very diverse- e.g. Reaching a hippie village commune and starting hemp clothing companies. But yes in the context that the quote was worded 'reaching a commune with each other' would have included some sort of intimate exchange of thoughts or feelings and deep communication. :P

Anyway thank you for writing this. You nailed it! An essay upon this subject is well overdue. Opposites can attract and can do well together. Similar people can attract and do just as well in a relationship too! One thing I can add is the ability to forgive is evident with them.

-In the very unlikely case that Cloud blames Tifa for 'lying' to him about his past or not paying attention to him as a child I am sure he would forgive her.

-Tifa forgives Cloud for leaving the bar without telling her, hiding his Geostigma and being apathetic about rescuing the kids. She hastily reassured him when he apologized for being late in the building toppling scene.

I think this is so important! Fighting will happen, that's inevitable. People will screw up and accidentally hurt each other. To be able to grant grace and forgiveness is so important for any type of relationship to last. So am not sure which point this falls under or whether it's a new one.
I luv this essay yay!
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Edited by Splash, 11 Jun 2014 - 03:00.
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I think it just depends on the personalities and the chemistry. Opposites attract work sometimes, and don't. Being similar works and sometimes doesn't. Some people can get along with either or. It really does depend.

I think it's not that Cloud and Aerith have NOTHING in common that makes people like them, but the fact that Cloud is a bit more quiet and brooding , a bit awkward and a dork. Aerith is more out going and bubbly and forward which is a contrast to his personality which a lot of people like. A lot of people tend to like a ship where one person gets the other to open up with their kindness or bubbly personality. (see Squall x Rinoa)

Also some couples find differing interests appealing. Some like debate, some can handle differnt views and accept them no matter how strongly they disagree. Some people feel that is truly real love when you accept someone's differences and love them anyway.

I find both appealing (opposites, and similars) in Cloud and Tifa's case I always felt Cloud really needed someone to understand his personality, his pain, etc. Not that Aerith didn't understand, I just feel Tifa understood him on a grander scale. Tifa related to him, especially since they both lost their families and their home and found a home with one another. They express similar feelings and values which to me came across as really heartwarming and loving. I think they connected more because they both could confide in one another about things only they understand if that makes sense.

Tifa and Cloud are not completely similar either! They have their share of disagreements. And I'm not sure why people claim Cloud and Tifa are TOO similar. She is more optimistic and less naive than he is. She guides him a lot of the time.

It seems to me the problem is people think opposites means you are completely and totally opposite with nothing in common. And similar means youve got too much in common and it's boring. but those relationships are not always like that at all.
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I have never liked the romance of the girl getting the guy to open up and the interpretation of this girl who "saves this dark brooding guy"

I find it to be like the damsel in distress who's male lover gives her meaning and is literally the only thing she has going for him and she is treated like a prize to be won.

I know some people like that, but I'm not one of them. I'm looking up some psychology on relationships and compatibility, it's all very interesting stuff. I found the list above and thought I'd apply it to Cloud and Tifa because the one that caught my eye the most was "the ability to disagree" and actually showing that not agreeing on everything and bickering is actually a sign of a strong and healthy relationship.

They get called a bad relationship a lot of times because they are shown to have problems and not get along 100% of the time, yet this is a sign that they are a healthy couple. After seeing that, I just had to share the list! :)

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I think it's cute, but other times it can be really annoying. (Squall x Rinoa for instance is a case where this annoyed me) I feel it's the other way around too sometimes, where literally his only reason for even living or caring is the woman in his life and he doesn't care about anything else. It's kind of selfish on both ends (not always again but yeah) and it just comes off as a boring and unhealthy selfish relationship to me. x m x

I think most people realize that no relationship is perfect! I think sometimes people like fantasy pairings that seem to just be perfect for one another always because it works in fiction and it's romantic and endless etc etc I personally think too much of that gets a little too boring. Which is why I'm not a big shipper of Sora x Kairi. Where's the conflict, the excitement? It's just dull

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Yeah I end up feeling detached from romances like that and get bored. It's one of the reasons why I love Cloti so much is because it is a real relationship but still has that fantasy element. You know, childhood friends staying together and stuff.

If there weren't so many problems going on, like with Sephiroth and Geostigma and then the depression and PTSD they all have...I bet Cloud and Tifa would be the cutest dorks in the series.



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12 Jun 2014 - 01:27


Tifa and Cloud are not completely similar either! They have their share of disagreements. And I'm not sure why people claim Cloud and Tifa are TOO similar. She is more optimistic and less naive than he is. She guides him a lot of the time.

It seems to me the problem is people think opposites means you are completely and totally opposite with nothing in common. And similar means youve got too much in common and it's boring. but those relationships are not always like that at all.
Yeah I've seen people say that Cloud and Tifa went through the same trauma stuff and that's why they wouldn't work because it's a constant reminder of their past but I don't agree with that. If it were the case that one person is moving on and the other isn't, then maybe, but Cloud and Tifa seem to be recovering at similar rates. They are growing up together which is why their relationship works.

And I agree. They aren't too similar. As a baseline Tifa is more social while Cloud likes to keep to himself.

And in terms of a relationship I noticed Cloud is the one who likes to tease and joke around more towards Tifa. While Tifa is kind of more shy about it. Hehe. :cloud: :heart: :tifa:
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Guys, you better search in phsycologic. I've ever read in woman magazine that 80% couples in the world is compatible when they share more similarities each other. It makes them understanding each other better.

gimme zack and aerith
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16 Jun 2014 - 14:36
Yeah I end up feeling detached from romances like that and get bored. It's one of the reasons why I love Cloti so much is because it is a real relationship but still has that fantasy element. You know, childhood friends staying together and stuff.

If there weren't so many problems going on, like with Sephiroth and Geostigma and then the depression and PTSD they all have...I bet Cloud and Tifa would be the cutest dorks in the series.



But they already are. The way they gave pucker up faces to each other in that pool healing scene. Dopeyness.

Cloud riding out on a chocobo to buy bar ingredients for Tifa.
Cloud pretending to fly the airship and make a ruckass so tifa wont feel lonely in the ship.
Dillydally and moseying (cringes).


Those kingdom hearts mobile pictures were really subtle but Tifa looks like shes trying to confess love with a box of chocolates and they are probably communing under a christimas tree in the other picture. then holding hands at mickeys weddings. Clouds head is turned towards tifa and thats his version of a proposal or something like tifa should catch on. So i know these are AUs spinoffs and shouldnt be used as proof or anything but im saying that cloud and tifa are already portrayed in that sappy way by the company. Hmm :giggle:
Edited by Splash, 19 Jun 2014 - 21:58.
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