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Tifa is not bad for Cloud
Topic Started: 20 Dec 2013 - 13:46 (147 Views)
Godoka
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Something I wrote about the idea that Tifa emotionally abuses Cloud. :stop:

Tifa was like an idol for me… when I was very young. I think I was around the age of nine when I first played Final Fantasy VII. To be honest before I picked up the game, I liked Aerith a great deal more. I was under the impression she was Cloud’s love interest, and I liked her cute design. However things changed almost instantly when I started the game. Tifa is a kind hearted character that places the blame for things that are not her fault, upon herself. She is always willing to humble herself, and step down when it comes to her emotions. It’s a beautiful flaw but it’s also an admirable trait at the same time. Tifa is so humbling that she would keep her feelings for Cloud to herself when Aerith asks about it. She would blame the deaths of her friends on herself even though she had nothing to do with it. She is also very Motherly. She knows how to take care of children, her friends, Cloud, but she never seems to have much time for herself - that’s how selfless she is. I always wanted to be as selfless, brave, and strong like Tifa was when I played the game as a kid. She does have flaws though.

Yeah, she gets jealous. I relate to that so much. And there’s nothing wrong with getting jealous, either. Everyone gets jealous at one point in time in their lives. She may not have noticed Cloud as much as she should have as a kid, but she felt bad for it once she knew how he felt. The part of the game where Tifa enters Cloud’s subconscious is one of the most impacting parts for me - you get to see just how much of Cloud’s heart and mind revolve around her and how only Tifa is the one able to get this close to Cloud. It’s stated that only Tifa could do this job - it even made Aerith herself jealous (if you read MoTP). Cloud wanted to impress Tifa and get her to notice while in the mean time Tifa genuinely cared for him. Cloud never knew how much. Once he left, she missed him and searched for news about him and waited for him. I get so irritated when people say that she only cared because she thought he was going to be “the perfect hero”. Clearly, Cloud is not what she imagined as a child. Did that stop her from loving him? No. Did that change her view about him? NO. Did she expect him to be perfect? Nope. During the ENTIRE game Tifa supports Cloud no matter what his decisions are. She never forces him to do anything he doesn’t want to do, often times she is the guiding hand that helps him. In fact, Cloud says that her opinion matters the most, thanks her above all else (including Aerith), AND when Cloud becomes mako poisoned she risks her life by staying with him. She even says that “Nothing else matters now, just Cloud”. How is that being selfish? How is that her projecting her ideals as a kid onto the present Cloud? It’s not - she’s a grown woman by now… one with a most massive heart. People also often get on Tifa’s case for ‘nagging’ Cloud during Advent Children. Even though the creators of this film tell us she is doing the exact opposite, and I happen to agree with them. Tifa is giving Cloud a wake up call. She isn’t telling him what to think or how to act, but she’s giving him the push he needs in the right direction so he can come to the realization himself. I also think that because Cloud and Tifa are both introverted, they understand one another on a higher level. And yes there have been fights between them. But they over came those obstacles and became even closer because of it. People seem to think that because they fight, they’re not a good match. Couples come across disagreements all the time - the fact that Cloud still lives with her and wants her by his side obviously shows that he cares for her deeply.

I hate this idea people have that turn Cloud into a ‘victim’ of Tifa. :/ Cloud is not a fucking victim, he’s a dude that has got a lot of problems on his plate and he often acts foolishly because of them. With out the support of all his friends, especially Tifa (the woman who understands him the most mind you) he would not have survived anything. In fact if Tifa hadn’t saved him from losing his mind, there would not even BE an Advent Children.

So the next time anyone wants to say Tifa is bad for Cloud, or is bad as a character, THINK ABOUT IT.
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Alessa Gillespie
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oh my god i feel like people just throw the words "emotional abuse" around when it comes to any ship they don't like.

but typically emotional abuse comes in three flavors: verbal abuse, denial/manipulation of said abuse, and extreme jealous behaviors. verbal abuse is typically identified by someone calling the recipient names, saying what they do is worthless, or they start to threaten the person by saying that if they leave, they will willfully harm themselves or a mutual party. this is not something tifa ever does. YES, she does question whether the family means anything to him but this is with good reason! he's been gone for two weeks, squirreled away in aerith's church rather than coming by to see them, so she definitely has good reason to question whether they mean anything to him at all.

she never calls cloud names (she criticizes his inability to let go of things, AS DOES AERITH), never tells him that if he leaves she'll harm the children or something, and while she is jealous, its not like she's constantly asking him 'ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT AERITH WOULD YOU RATHER BE WITH HER IS THAT WHAT IT IS' it's a single line in the movie where she says in the eng script if it's 'a memory or us' which again, is criticizing his inability to let things go, NOT demanding that he stop loving aerith. (in the jp version she says instead 'have we lost to our memories' which has very different implications that the whole family may be feeling similar to cloud in his mourning over things and im pretty sad that they changed it but what can you do)

but yeah, tifa never emotionally abuses cloud and i cant believe thats even a thing that is claimed by anti-cloti shippers (ok, im not because this happens all the time with other ships but still). its a deliberate misinterpretation of characters and its poop.
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Godoka
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Yeah and then there's also those special people that claim that Tifa is a spoiled brat or a "princess" just because she grew up in a town where her Father was the mayor and because she was popular as a child. Even though she had to go through with losing her Mom and in no way ever used her social status to get what she wanted. Tifa was actually a very non materialistic girl from what I saw , it seemed she wanted emotional support than anything else.

And yeah when people claim Tifa is 'nagging' Cloud in Advent Children I usually pull up that Reunion File page where they write that they wanted to show that Tifa does the OPPOSITE of nag Cloud. Rather she tries to clue him into his poor actions. And no we can't blame Cloud for acting poorly, but Tifa does have a right to be upset about it and try to help him out. The harsh truth might hurt but in the end it DID help Cloud. He even mentions that he lost weight since he dropped all the "dilly dally".

Tifa has always kept her jealousy hidden. She never once confronts Cloud about it OR Aerith for that matter. In fact every time she talked to Aerith she insisted she had no feelings for Cloud because she knew Aerith liked him. Another case where Tifa let Cloud choose for himself what he wanted to do even though she may have been apprehensive of the results.

It IS poop. Unfortunately people still hate Tifa's character for these illogical reasons.
Edited by Godoka, 21 Dec 2013 - 12:24.
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Honestly the reason people hate Tifa is because she's in the way. I mean some have reasons to genuinely dislike her like maybe they just don't click well with her personality.

All in all, the people I see who usually attack Tifa's character in such illogical ways are some Clerith fans who are in denial of Cloud having any possible slight romantic feelings for Tifa beyond a "dim" crush and worship Aerith to a disturbing degree.

I mean like saying Tifa emotionally abuses Cloud. Uhm, ok so I guess she's suppose to just let him act the way he wants then? She shouldn't be AT ALL annoyed with him leaving a DYING CHILD who wants to be with him so desperately that the child ends up being depressed.

I read CoT, and it isn't blindly obvious how much Denzel adores Cloud? That he tells certain things to Cloud that he doesn't tell Tifa, or in the movie when Denzel lays in bed STARING at a picture of Cloud while he's dying.

He has no idea where Cloud is or what he's doing and neither does Marlene.

Tifa is around that ALL day. How dare she become annoyed at Cloud putting the children through this. Remember it's not just Tifa who misses Cloud, Marlene and Denzel do too. Marlene even has questions like why he left and where he is.

Tifa doesn't know what to tell them. She doesn't even know if Cloud's alive. What's she suppose to say

"Oh it's ok Cloud. I understand. I mean, you miss Aerith. It's not like I don't miss her too and it totally isn't a big deal that you don't call to even speak to the children regardless of what feelings your have to me. Just go be with Aerith. Nobody around here has human emotions anyway, and it's fine if you want to leave and not even call to atleast let me know you're still alive-- I mean since you travel everywhere on a motorcycle and there's monsters running around, I'm sure you can handle it because you're perfect and we're not dating so why in the world would you ever communicate with me?"

Like OMG are you freaking serious?

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Alessa Gillespie
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plus i find it weird that people put this weird dichotomy between aerith and tifa like tifa only ever feels jealous over tifa because ew gross flawed human being but at least from advent children (i have a hard time getting through the novellas) she has one line where she asks him to move on and after that in the highwind she sees a droplet of water and says 'you were here the whole time, thank you' basically

shes GLAD aerith was involved because shes sure that helped cloud with moving on. it's not like shes angry and jealously threatening cloud that if he loves aerith shes leaving 5ever and taking the kids
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Godoka
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I think most Tifa hate would dissolve if she wasn't involved in the 'love triangle'. But then again there would be those few people that would hate her because of the way she looks/dresses too. yuck at them
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I think so too. I hate that people don't actually look at Aerith's flaws and see what she does is annoying. Like Tifa gets called a stalker but Aerith stalks Cloud since the first disc of the game.

He even wakes up early to sneak out and she's up before he is WAITING. No one finds that stalkerish behavior?

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Godoka
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I always joke about Aerith being a stalker during that part, but it doesn't mean she actually is one lol. I don't think either of the girls are stalkers or stalker material, but if people can say Tifa is stalking Cloud just by chasing after him then they should definitely not ignore the fact that Aerith follows Cloud from the very start when he tries to leave. IDK I find calling Tifa a stalker and not Aerith to be very hypocritical. But again... neither of the girls are stalkers. :I

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Well the debate is very hypocritical anyway. Like using Denzel as proof of Clerith. Cloud thought Aerith brought Denzel to him and that's the only reason he comes home is so he can take care of Denzel. But then he leaves this child Aerith brought to him with a "bad mother" so he can go be with Aerith out of love.

Or the argument that Cloud and Aerith will be reunited in the lifestream when AERITH HERSELF sent Cloud back to Tifa. How much more does the guy have to endure? Like he and Aerith can have a relationship outside the lifestream because she has been shown in Calling and at the end of AC to materialize, and Cloud smiles because he realizes she's always there BUT he will be reunited in the promise land with Aerith when he dies...I don't, I can't even...

Which one is it?!
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Kitty
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(Uh, I'd made a pretty long post here the other day and later come back to edit and add some stuff, but I deleted away most of my first message to start over and then got sleepy and gave up and didn't see a delete post option, so sorry this is here. >.>)
Edited by Kitty, 23 Jan 2014 - 19:05.
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