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Statement regarding The South Pacific coup
Topic Started: Apr 22 2013, 09:21 PM (1,332 Views)
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Statement regarding The South Pacific coup
April 22, 2013




This past weekend the feeder region The South Pacific fell into the grasp of a Rogue Delegate. Milograd has taken the power to rule The South Pacific for himself ejection thousands of native nations and incorporated foreign backers to prop his regime up. He has defied the democratic coalition government of The South Pacific for his own personal agenda. New Sorvun knows all to well of such betrayal and we will not stand idly by and let another region succumb to the same fate. New Sorvun shall pledge diplomatic support, and if need be render military aid to The South Pacific to return the delegate seat to the legitimate, governmentally-mandated, democratically-elected individual.

Milograd is not the first to attempt a coup in The South Pacific, and surely is not the first who thinks that just because you have the seat of power in a region that the region is your property and its residents be damned.We must make a stand against Milograd and his kind. Each region determines its own fate, however regions are not playgrounds for its founders and delegates to torment at their whim, and this is why New Sorvun stands a beacon of hope because we will not let anyone threaten our way of life, whether it be raiders or a belligerent founder, we will stand by The South Pacific's side to see order restored, and let it be known that this will not be tolerated anywhere in Nationstates.

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Deckard Christopher
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Apr 23 2013, 09:43 AM
The government remains on its forums, and is in the midsts of putting Milograd on trial and recalling him. He has violated their constitution and laws, and therefore is no longer legitimately the delegate. It has not been overthrown and it still exists.

@Deckard.
Milo has only 30 or so endorsements more than the native who opposes him. It would be easy for a liberation to push that native over Milo if it gets enough people to support it.
1. If so, that is good news. That would mean nobody outside of the South Pacific would be sticking their nose in business they do not need to be in, and the South Pacific can handle the issue on its own and move on.

2. I was unsure of the endorsement numbers when I said that. I just imagined that in a region of 4k+ nations I thought there were a lot more WA nations.
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An interesting dilemma.

I think that even if he was originally elected, if he is now violating the laws of their region in an attempt to establish a dictatorship he needs to be removed, and any regions that have treaties with the South Pacific have a right to intervene. I also think though that this isn't a raid, even if he is bringing in outside support, so don't see why defenders need to get involved.
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Those treaties only work if the government of the South Pacific asks for the help. Obviously it's not going to happen, so therefore not one region who does have a treaty with the South Pacific is allowed or should be allowed to intervene in a civil war. He is also apparently being tried in the courts of the South Pacific, so even if he is not brought down endorsement-wise, he will be by the courts themselves, so even then outside involvement would be completely unnecessary.

Now, what I want to know is this: what happens if Milograd holds on to power, legally or otherwise, and these supposed foreign groups continue to pour in and back him up?
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I'm not in favour of New Sorvun, the Commonwealth or even the FRA being involved, since we have no reason to do so. However, as Zander posted, Balder has a treaty with the South Pacific which requires their intervention in the event of a coup, and I think it's fairly obvious that the delegate subverting the laws of the region for his own gain, is a coup.

I also don't see where, in the segment of the Balder-TSP treaty posted, it requires the invitation of the regional government to intervene. If there's been a coup it's fairly obvious that the government wouldn't ask for help, since it's run by the person running the coup.
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The last two words in that post are these: "if requested." That is enough for me to say that Balder can't get involved, unless I'm interpreting the treaty incorrectly. And due to the fact that the present government is unfriendly to these sort of treaties, I doubt such requests would be made and heard.
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Balder has already deployed.

To my knowledge the TSP government has requested the help privately. 10KI, TNP And Balder are involved among others.
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Now, what I want to know is this: what happens if Milograd holds on to power, legally or otherwise, and these supposed foreign groups continue to pour in and back him up?


Then the South Pacific could eventually become another The Pacific, though worse and with a government in exile competing with it for the next few months or years.
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Or we could just let TSP deal with it's own problems?

Foreign Intervention really isn't needed... this wasn't a raid.
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If you would like to take a look at TSP's government forums, you will find several pages and threads entailing the government's condemnation for Milograd's actions and requests for defense. That is all.
EDIT: responding to Batt, this is a raid. Evidence has recently surfaced that there are several raiding groups on the scene supporting Milograd.
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I'm not a raider, but if I went and endorsed Milograd does that make me a raider?

They put Milograd in a position of power, thus there own internal structures should reverse this. There is no need for defenders to get involved...

I'm of the view that if a region falls to a rogue it is that regions fault for not putting preventative measures in place, if the region didn't like Milograd don't elect him.
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I'm not in favour of New Sorvun, the Commonwealth or even the FRA being involved, since we have no reason to do so. However, as Zander posted, Balder has a treaty with the South Pacific which requires their intervention in the event of a coup, and I think it's fairly obvious that the delegate subverting the laws of the region for his own gain, is a coup.

I also don't see where, in the segment of the Balder-TSP treaty posted, it requires the invitation of the regional government to intervene. If there's been a coup it's fairly obvious that the government wouldn't ask for help, since it's run by the person running the coup.
I assure you that this Commonwealth will not be getting involved. We have no legal precedence or a military to act, and I will not justify ordering regions around. Regardless we cannot stop a commonwealth region from assisting TSP, I would just ask that any CoR region uses sound judgment and caution. Your actions could reflect badly upon this Commonwealth.
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So, has he actually been found guilty yet? Because until he does, people shouldn't go round saying he is guilty of this that and the other and until he is, you can't go round saying you have been asked by the legitimate government to do something because he still is the legitimate leader until found guilty.

Even then, the old government has been overthrown so I don't see how a treaty still has affect.
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Firstly, no direct action will be taken without the League of Nation's approval. This was a preliminary statement on the situation and my intent when it comes time to plan for direct action. For now it is only moral support and an extension of a friendly hand to The South Pacific's legitimate government.

Secondly, our region was founded as a result of a tyrannical individual who believed himself the only legitimate ruler of Sorvun because of the mere fact that he founded the region. Just because you are in a position of power in the game does not automatically give you free reign over the region, and in The South Pacific that is such a case. In TSP the Delegate answers directly to the established government of the region, just as our delegate does here in New Sorvun. If he violates that mandate, throwing the terms revolution and coup in your communiques does not automatically render legitimacy to him. Had it been totally internal, as in no outside assistance, New Sorvun would not even consider interfering, but the fact that Milograd has outside support turns this into an invasion. However, Milograd's trial will be followed closely as possible, if he is found guilty by their laws and refuses to step down only then will we take steps to get involved.
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Apr 23 2013, 02:01 PM
I'm not a raider, but if I went and endorsed Milograd does that make me a raider?

They put Milograd in a position of power, thus there own internal structures should reverse this. There is no need for defenders to get involved...

I'm of the view that if a region falls to a rogue it is that regions fault for not putting preventative measures in place, if the region didn't like Milograd don't elect him.
1) No but it'd make you accessory to a coup.

b) They did have preventative measures, which they're attempting to use to remove him with. However they don't yet have the numbers.

Milo had already served a term as delegate of TSP with success, he is a II Mentor, former senior member of the UDL and a long established roleplayer with a great reputation and who has founded a successful roleplay region. It is not The South Pacific's fault they trusted his previous actions when electing him. Generally that is what you do, and you can't predict when someone like that will go rogue.
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Lemming, the government still exists. It is technically 'in exile' though, just as many of europe's governments where made during WWII. Doesn't stop it existing or fighting to restore itself.
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