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Statement regarding The South Pacific coup
Topic Started: Apr 22 2013, 09:21 PM (1,331 Views)
Likako A. Nehio
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Statement regarding The South Pacific coup
April 22, 2013




This past weekend the feeder region The South Pacific fell into the grasp of a Rogue Delegate. Milograd has taken the power to rule The South Pacific for himself ejection thousands of native nations and incorporated foreign backers to prop his regime up. He has defied the democratic coalition government of The South Pacific for his own personal agenda. New Sorvun knows all to well of such betrayal and we will not stand idly by and let another region succumb to the same fate. New Sorvun shall pledge diplomatic support, and if need be render military aid to The South Pacific to return the delegate seat to the legitimate, governmentally-mandated, democratically-elected individual.

Milograd is not the first to attempt a coup in The South Pacific, and surely is not the first who thinks that just because you have the seat of power in a region that the region is your property and its residents be damned.We must make a stand against Milograd and his kind. Each region determines its own fate, however regions are not playgrounds for its founders and delegates to torment at their whim, and this is why New Sorvun stands a beacon of hope because we will not let anyone threaten our way of life, whether it be raiders or a belligerent founder, we will stand by The South Pacific's side to see order restored, and let it be known that this will not be tolerated anywhere in Nationstates.

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It does, however, mean that its legitimacy is merely a matter of perspective. This is why it should be settled in the Security Council. If the SC condemns the action, then the old government can claim legitimacy. Until then, the new government was elected, is legitimate and any intervention is raiding.
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Breaking a region's laws is not a matter of perspective. Nevertheless, New Sorvun will not recognize Milograd's regime.
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Breaking a region's laws is not a matter of perspective.


That's the whole point in a coup, to end the old laws and start the new ones. You don't have a revolution by sticking to the laws.
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I suppose it's still a civil war despite the majority of Milograd's endorsements being those of Foreign Nations?

If you want to draw parallels to a Defender's approach in UCRs then answer me this. If a Delegate of a UCR threw away the very forum he derived his mandate from, went against every election promise he ever made and the vast majority of Natives were in direct opposition to this AND requesting aid, would you still oppose intervention? I don't think you would - especially when the rogue Delegate continues to seek out foreign endorsements to maintain his grasp on power.
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If it wasn't a raid then I am sorry but I would. I have always maintained that if a Delegate is a tyrant it is up to the natives to select a different one or leave the tyrant to govern a Kingdom of Air. The fact that people are invading TSP means that he hasn't got much choice but to call in Foreign back-up. This is what intervening does, it makes the other side bolster forces and splits our own community.
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That's a load of rubbish, as soon as his endorsement count would have dwindled due to the success of the unendorsement campaigns he would of called in Foreign support.
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There are foreign WA's on both sides are there not? Both sides of the Civil War have called in Foreign Support. As outside observers, we should use the same standard against both.

EDIT: Though the fact still remains that the Delegate has not yet been made illegitimate by a Judicial Body of the Government-in-Exile.
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I was not disputing that. Milograd would have called in endorsements with or without international support for the TSP Cabinet in the region. In fact, there were outside endorsements on his person as soon as the coup began.
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Karp is correct. Milo has had foreign endorsements from the moment this coup began, in fact at last count I believe Belshaft said he had 48 endorsers who hadn't been in the region when he couped and another 12 who hadn't been WA when he couped. And that was two days ago, and his endo count has gone up almost another forty since.
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Apr 24 2013, 02:42 AM
Karp is correct. Milo has had foreign endorsements from the moment this coup began, in fact at last count I believe Belshaft said he had 48 endorsers who hadn't been in the region when he couped and another 12 who hadn't been WA when he couped. And that was two days ago, and his endo count has gone up almost another forty since.
Is there any evidence that this was being planned beforehand? I don't think anyone has asked that nor has anyone confirmed it.
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>note: after posting this on the TSP forums, I've received acknowledgement and thank-yous from the Deputy Minister of Security, General of the Army, one Admin, and the Minister of Justice :)
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>note: after posting this on the TSP forums, I've received acknowledgement and thank-yous from the Deputy Minister of Security, General of the Army, one Admin, and the Minister of Justice :)
Okay? Can I have my question answered please?
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I believe there are logs somewhere of the planning. I'll see if I can chase them up.
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Please do. Because if this was planned, then two things happen:

1. It becomes more than a civil war. It becomes a clear-cut revolution using Hitler-like tactics and the man must be stopped.

2. My objection to any involvement by New Sorvun, although very reluctantly, will disappear.
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http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=14047233#p14047233
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