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Topic Started: Aug 22 2014, 07:11:49 PM (358 Views)
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During Challenge 1

DC Heroes
Starfire/Zatana/Wonder Woman almost definitely have the majority. RoarShack, Robin, and ReplacementBird are all barely doing anything, and it will be a matter of who the former three feel like taking with them. At the moment, Zatana prefers Robin and Starfire has a side alliance with Robin as well, so he looks like he'll be safer than the other two at least.

Starfire - Above Zatana because she isn't actually loyal to her at all, and would rather float in the long run than be tied down.
Zatana
Wonder Woman
Robin
Black Canary - The fact that she's a replacement will save her one round.
Rorschach

Marvel Villains
Enchantress is almost certainly the first boot here. The only 4p alliance mentioned so far has been from Loki's POV: Loki/Doom/Myst/Myst. Mystique says she likes Enchantress, but seeing as she's the fourth I doubt that's going to affect anything, especially since Ultron is involved in a few 3p alliances himself and is generally more preferred by those at the top.

Loki - Respected the most by everyone.
Mysterio - Above Doom because I think Loki likes him better?
Doctor Doom
Mystique
Ultron
Enchantress

DC Villains
Two Face is actually not in a good position, despite what he says. He has no power, and from what it looks like, no motivation to change that. The power couple here is actually Riddler/Manta, and both of them prefer Zod. Two Face is the fourth, even though his major alliance is with Red Hood, Riddler's preferred first vote. Queen Bee seems kind of left in the dust right now. She's generally preferred by those at the top, but that's all.

Riddler - Above Manta because Manta gets on my people's nerves.
Black Manta
Zod - Could actually be higher, but he hasn't posted in his confessional.
Two Face
Queen Bee
Red Hood

Marvel Heroes
The most boring tribe ever.

Deadpool
Moon Knight
Gambit
Rocket Racoon - Higher than Storm because he promised more later, where Storm is more likely to fizzle.
Storm
Wolverine
 
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Ra's al Ghul
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First TC in Conclave

To be honest, I don't actually think that it's worth doing power rankings or tribe breakdowns right now. Tribes of eleven is just too much, and people are just going to ally with as many people as possible while still leaving their options open. By nature, there are going to be alliances everywhere, and because of that nothing is static. Because of that, I'm just going to use this to take notes on what I think really happened here. If I come up with some predictions while I'm doing so, so much the better.

In the heroes, from what I can remember there have only been two major alliance proposed. Starfire/Deadpool/Rocket, and Gambit's attempted Gambit/Deadpool/Rocket/Moon/Zatanna alliance, which has a 95% chance of falling flat. The other major things to note are the Starfire/Wonder Woman, Starfire/Zatanna, and Deadpool/Moon alliances. There are so many people who aren't as active in Corona that who goes home will be determined by who sucks up to the people that actually matter the least. Everyone mentioned above, even probably Gambit, should be safe for a TC or four. Storm is safe enough as well because Deadpool likes her-

The Villains are another story entirely. I think this started when Mysterio casually mentioned the possibility of a Pagong to Doom and Mystique, and the latter capitalized on it and made it sound like that was Marvel's plan as a whole. Enchantress immediately ditched the rest of Marvel and tried to use them as fodder to bolster her own ambitions, going so far that Mystique was forced to go with her. To help their reputation, they even planted the idea that Ultron was the cause of the pagong, when they were really the ones that made it a thing, to make the entirety of DC hate him. Why Ultron? Because Enchantress has some sort of beef with him that she hasn't mentioned in her confessional. There was also a minor rift between Doom and Two Face because someone twisted Doom's words and made it sound like he was lying to their face. This, added to the pagong talk, even further vilified the Marvel villains to the DC ones.

Since then though, it looks like people are starting to figure things out. Two Face and Doom actually are starting to be allies, and Mysterio possibly figured out the root of the problems, and is discussing it with Zod and Riddler. Riddler changing his vote to Red Hood, along with Red Hood himself artifact voting instead of going with the plan, pretty much signifies the end of Red Hood, and with it Mystique/Enchantress's deception. Following this, it looks like the Riddler/Mysterio/Doom/Two Face group are going to be the ones in power, some of them having ties to Zod/Queen Bee and others having ties to Loki or Ultron. A lot of this is new developments as of this writing, so the followthrough of this is still completely up in the air.
 
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Final Heroes vs. Villains TC
(Yeah, I know it's not actually confirmed yet, but seriously. It's pretty much confirmed.)

There's... even less to talk about now than there was last time. The alliance structures haven't changed at all since Mysterio and co. figured out that Enchantress was the root of everything. The only reason why Enchantress wasn't voted out last time is because that would have taken too long to set up. This was just an extension of that. The only real differences are the fact that Zod seems to have gone almost completely inactive and Enchantress managed to leave a stain on Loki's reputation that might just not go away.

Meanwhile on the Heroes, even less happened. Robin is not officially gone rather than gone in spirit, and that's it.
 
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Simulation 5

RoarShack had better get eliminated here. Also, probable tribe swap is probable. Anyway, that's obviously not the actual point of this post, so I'm just going to get on with it.

Pass 1
I ran out of space in the 4 row, so I think I'm done for now. 15+56+51+40+10=172 on pass 1. I know there's still way more.

Pass 2
7+44+53+60+25+21=210, for 382 total.

Pass 3


Spellcheck is saying that these aren't words, but I'm fairly sure they are.

TIME!
Edited by Ra's al Ghul, Aug 30 2014, 05:59:52 PM.
 
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There are a LOT of points on this board.
 
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19+48+75+68+50=260

Also, 2-3 should be 57, I can't math. 382+4+260=646. If Spellcheck is indeed lying to me and Dentals and Amidst are in fact words, that's an extra 9 points for 655. I could be mathing wrong elsewhere, or maybe I duplicated a word somewhere, or maybe Spellcheck lied and said something was a word that wasn't, so maybe that isn't accurate, but it's probably somewhat accurate still.

EDIT: I can't count either.
Edited by Ra's al Ghul, Aug 30 2014, 06:11:32 PM.
 
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Triple Triad

Ekron
Starting here, because it's painfully obvious what's going to happen here. Starfire is going to be the center of the tribe, and anyone without an alliance with her is going to be voted out. Moon Knight is almost definitely her second in command here, seeing as he was her first pick. I trust Starfire enough to not start pagonging the villains, especially since she appeared to get along well with Mysterio, so he's in third position. Because of general activity levels and anti-pagong measures, Doom should be safe as well. It's a toss up between Storm and Wolverine for last place, but I'm going to go with Wolverine being higher because he seems to be slowly getting the hang of things.

Starfire
Moon Knight
Mysterio
Doctor Doom
Wolverine
Storm

Cyttorak
Queen Bee got exactly what she needed here, being both Zod and Mystique. The lack of Heroes is probably good for her as well, because it seemed a lot of them seemed put off by her self-inflicted PR. I have Zod ahead of Mystique because Zod is actually likable, if a bit inactive right now. If Two-Face feels safe, then he's probably safe, but I'm not entirely sure about that myself. I would just flat out say that Gambit is already gone, but Mystique's raid against Loki is probably going to continue, if only to hope that they only go to one TC so that the four of them aren't instantly hated by all of the former heroes. One TC is all Gambit's going to get a chance to get though, and it won't be because of his own play.

Queen Bee
Zod
Mystique
Two-Face
Gambit
Loki


Adara

Deadpool being in a tribe means he's going to be in the center of attention. He's out of close allies though, so Zatanna is going to be person with the power. I don't really understand Wonder Woman's position right now myself though, so she gets to be below Deadpool anyway. Unless Riddler flat out gives up, he should be very quick to notice that despite RoarShack's challenge performance, he is still by far the weak link on the tribe. As long as he stays on Zatanna's good side, he'll easily outlast RoarShack. Ultron will also probably outlive RoarShack, but all that is is borrowed time.

Zatanna
Deadpool
Wonder Woman
Riddler
Ultron
Rorschach

Now to actually look and see what alliances are forming as I've been typing this up.
 
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So Adara is going to the first TC of this phase. I see no other way that this can end other than RoarShack finally getting taken off life support. Technically if Ultron did something really stupid the target could shift to him, but he doesn't seem like the type of player to blow up.

Mostly just making this post because of the bad pun, because things don't seem to be working out that differently from what I predicted in my last post. Riddler might be taking advantage of Wonder Woman's absence to move above her in the tribal structure, but aside from that I maintain my rankings from my last post.
 
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Yeah, he's Doomed.

Ekron
So, it's not quite as clear what the power structure is here for the moment, but what is clear is who's on the bottom. Storm was only liked by Doctor Doom, and even he apparently is having second thoughts about her. He hasn't made that clear enough to everyone else though, so this TC is definitely everyone else breaking him and Storm up, and they decided on voting Doom. If Doom were to survive though, he'd have a better chance overall than Storm would, so I guess that's why he's being voted out first. Above those two is Wolverine. He is starting to get well liked by the other three, but that's all he is. If he survives this phase, then he's likely to continue to ally with everyone else here. Starfire, Moon Knight, and Mysterio are a unit. None of them have said they like any one of them over the other. Mysterio is probably lowest here though, because villain pagonging seems like a real possibility right now unfortunately. Starfire and Moon Knight seem to be in the exact same position now otherwise.

Starfire
Moon Knight - Only below because of the vote penalty against him.
Mysterio
Wolverine
Doctor Doom - Above Storm because he still has a slight chance if he openly ditches Storm, and he has much more of a long run chance.
Storm

Cyttorak
This tribe hasn't gone to TC, so pretty much nothing has been going on. I'd assume that means nothing changed, but this tribe was kind of in a weird position to begin with. I assume that Queen Bee/Mystique are still the strongest pairing, with Zod also liking Queen Bee and Two-Face. With the threat of Pagong hanging over their heads, if they went to TC I don't think they'd have a choice other than to vote out Gambit. Even if it were a stronger hero, I'm not sure anything would happen to change that. Loki is still the villain with the weakest position on the tribe, but I don't think the anti-Loki sentiment is as strong as it once was.

Zod - Though he's not part of the power duo, he's much more well liked by everyone else, so it's up to him to make sure this tribe doesn't get destroyed in merge.
Queen Bee
Mystique
Two-Face
Loki
Gambit

Adara
I think Zatanna has started to become a bit too Pagong focused to be on the top of the tribe anymore, especially coupled with Wonder Woman's constantly decreasing availability. No one here really has strong alliances either. Riddler is still scrambling like crazy, Zatanna's gone passive, Wonder Woman is inactive, and Ultron's still screwed the next time they go to TC. Deadpool claims that if they go to TC again, he will be the sole deciding factor about who goes, and it could be anyone one the tribe, and I kind of believe him, aside from the fact that I think Zatanna is safe even if he wanted to try to go that route. Still, unless Wonder Woman stops showing up entirely, Ultron is the path of least resistance.

Deadpool
Zatanna
Riddler
Wonder Woman
Ultron
 
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All Together Now

The tribes are even, and I just did a big post last TC so I'm not going to this time. When I posted that, I didn't realize that there was as little time left in the TC as there was, so Doom really didn't have a chance. I still think he deserves to be above Storm though, because just a little more activity and he would have made it. Anyway on to this round.

Nothing has changed. While it was looking for a while that Red was going to vote out Loki, they ended up just defaulting back to voting out Gambit anyway once Loki decided to show up. He never really had a chance on this tribe. What he needed was to not be so low on the lists for everyone else, because here his only hope was to keep winning challenges.

EDIT: In the aftermath of this TC, Mystique has stopped being trusted by almost everyone, shifting her to the bottom of the tribe. Everything else remains constant.
Edited by Ra's al Ghul, Sep 8 2014, 05:12:06 AM.
 
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So, the game started with 4 teams of 6, then after two Tribal Councils, two tribes of eleven were formed, and after 4 eliminations, 3 tribes of 6 were born? It's pretty cool how everything keeps on changing and powershifts keep on happening.

Thanks for the detailed summary of what has been going on so far in the game, it really helped!
 
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