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Topic Started: Aug 24 2014, 12:34:36 AM (352 Views)
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This will be some sort of power rankings thread.
 
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Hm, on second thought, I think I'll just rank *everyone*.
 
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1. Starfire
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This should come as a surprise to no one. Starfire has the best confessional, and is likeable enough that everyone is trying to ally with her even though she isn't even looking for alliances. She seems (perhaps intelligently) upset about the number of requests she's getting. I don't see her as having any issues in the immediate future, and she seems like she'll find a place for herself in basically any group. Whether or not she'll get to step back into the shadows as she'd like to, she's doing just fine.

2. Zod
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Zod is basically on everyone's good list, and is basically the locus of his very schemey tribe, all the while doing an incredible job, at least I think, of not looking it at all and not having to do all that much scheming himself. He'll definitely survive Penumbra; everyone will seek to plot with him, rather than against him. Even though his alliance with Riddler and Queen Bee doesn't actually trust itself despite being the defining alliance on DC Villains, Zod is in a very good position here. He and Riddler are functioning as a unit, but it seems like he's both calling the shots and looking like he isn't calling them. Perfect.

3. Deadpool
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Deadpool basically has his rather weak tribe hero worshipping him, because he's ridiculously charming and lovable. I think he'll have no difficulty making Corona a fan club for him. He enters it in a very strong position, and I think he'll get along with the other side with no issue at all, giving them no real reason to unseat him. However, he's still untested in the slightly-more-shark-infested waters he's about to find himself in. It's conceivable he might not really know how to swim, and we've yet to get a glimpse of how strategic he really is.

4. Doctor Doom
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Doom looks to be playing a crazy good UTR game right now. Everyone likes him, no one has so much as mentioned the idea of voting him out literally ever, and as the answers I'm going to post soon demonstrate, he has a pretty good head on his shoulders. His burgeoning trust in Ultron may not be particularly well-placed, as Ultron seems to prefer Mysterio, who Doom sees as weaker. Still, I see him doing very well. As he puts it, he doesn't seem to have tons of influence, but he's nonetheless clearly near the top (but not enough so to be targeted).

5. Loki
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Loki is more nominally a leader than Doom, and not everyone trusts him, but it's clear he's at the center of everything that's really been produced alliance-wise. Mysterio seems to trust him, though, even while recognizing that Loki is basically at the top of the totem pole, and seems to earnestly want to work with him going forward. It'll be interesting to see whether Loki's reign remains intact on Penumbra; I could see the DC Villains possibly shaking up his game.

6. Zatanna
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Zatanna seemed to be out of the gate as a clear frontrunner, but has dropped back a little bit. Starfire doesn't seem to completely trust her, but she still has a good thing going, and I think she'll be able to make some new allies very easily. I think she and Deadpool will either get along very well or pretend to align while not really trusting each other at all. Some of her mercurial nature seems to be flet on Starfire's end, and she may be too cavalier for her own good, but for now, she shouldn't have any problems sticking around.

7. Mysterio
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Mysterio is doing well... but not as well as he thinks he is. He's analytical, but Loki sees him as somewhat more middle-of-the-road. I think he'll manage to survive the difficult tribe he's about to be placed on, though, and being at least nominally in the middle of the pack may prove a blessing for him. Edit: oh wait Loki reciprocates, never mind, he's on top of the world. Lower than Loki because the rest of the tribe prefers Loki.

8. Riddler
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Riddler looked like he was in a very strong spot, but it doesn't speak too well for him that he's being pretty much straightforwardly pushed aside on this vote. I foresee strife between him and Queen Bee as they each try to control the game, and losing Black Manta, though he can't really know that Black Manta was apparently actually planning on putting all his eggs in this four-player alliance basket based on very little, does not help him in that little war. Still, I think he has slightly more influence over Zod and Two-Face than she does.

9. Queen Bee
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There is no questioning that Queen Bee came here to play, and that she has every intention of being, well, the queen bee. Her position in the tribe has fluctuated wildly, from on the outs all the way up to what seems, for now, to be a core alliance. Unlike most of the players above the gap, I could see her getting thrown off by the upcoming twist (more like untwist, really) and she may come off as a schemer to the Marvel Villains, who have enough schemers of their own.

10. Two-Face
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Two-Face isn't a huge player, but he's made some fairly good ties for himself, and looks more like a vote than a target to basically everyone around him. He could have been in a bit of a swing vote position here. He's chosen a very weak partner in crime for himself, which may work nicely for him, and he does seem to be correctly downgrading that relationship. His trust in Riddler may be misplaced, however, as although Riddler's preferences seem to sway like the wind, I think Zod is really his #1.

11. Wonder Woman
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In some ways, Wonder Woman is not really playing the game yet. However, she is cozying up to Starfire, who seems to be very, very interested. Wonder Woman may be placed too low here, but it's difficult to see exactly what her game's going to be here. She's done well in challenges thus far (ignoring the oversight), and probably will make a valued addition to any team, but I don't know how shell do at forming lasting allainces and really playing.

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12. Moon Knight
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Moon Knight is good only in the sense that Deadpool seems to like him. However, Deadpool's options are about to get less sparse, and I think that may leave Moon Knight as just another average player. I can't tell what his game plan is, what he's doing, or really anything. It doesn't help me that most of his tribe is confessing very little, but I don't think he's making that much of an impression.

13. Rocket Raccoon
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Our friendly little raccoon here hasn't been much of a presence yet, but he's said somewhere that he's V/LA for not much longer, so I hope he'll kick it into gear shortly. Still, I think placing him this high is justified even at his current activity level; he's shown he's able to keep up a cute back-and-forth with Deadpool. We'll see how he develops, though.

14. Ultron
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The only difference between Ultron and Gambit, for me, is other people. Some of them seem interested in including Ultron in their plans, and Mysterio even came to him with an alliance. Also, just now, Doom mentions him as a favorite in his answers, which surprised me. He seems to find Ultron relatively honest, and evidently more chatty than he is in his confessional. I may be underestimating Ultron.

15. Robin
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Robin is in a reasonable spot and Starfire is interested in keeping him around, which is very good for him. However, even she represents him as mediocre, and I don't think she'll jump through too many hoops to save him if things start to go south for the Boy Wonder. He's not giving me much to go on in terms of an overarching plan, either.

16. Mystique
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Mystique is really trying, and possibly even too hard. I don't know what she's done that's slowly rubbed her fellows the wrong way, but she has a lot of team spirit and acts as a leader in challenges. I've been liking her approach to the game, so I was a bit disappointed when it started to sound like she might be in trouble. Fortunately for her, she's about to get 5 new people. She may make the mistake of defaulting to targeting them; I hope she doesn't, as it might spell her end.

17. Gambit
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Gambit, more than any other player, strikes me as just being....sort of... there. He's too focused on challenges for my taste, and I don't care for the way he's writing off Rocket. No one really talks about him. He's only this high because Corona, while probably boring, is a good and safe tribe to be on. It's lacking in unpredictability.

18. Enchantress
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Enchantress got off to a very bad start, with no one feeling very good about her, but seems to have recovered somewhat. Still, if she's consistently going to take a while for people to warm up to, I don't think she'll perform well compared to her tribemates when she meets the others; everyone is going to have a lot of people to deal with in this phase, and her talent for putting people off somewhat isn't going to do her any favors-- her new tribemates won't have as much patience. In addition, I wasn't impressed by her lack of awareness that she was turning her tribemates off.

19. Red Hood
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Red Hood initially looked very unimpressive, but his challenge game so far has been good, and one way or another, he seems to have convinced Queen Bee and Two-Face that he's of at least some value. Penumbra should have a lot of drama, and chances are he won't be involved in it, so if he continues to make himself valuable in challenges, he may last a while. Still, he doesn't seem to have much in the way of game awareness.

20. Wolverine
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Wolverine seems to lack a social game, and he also lacks a challenge game. But unlike Storm, I can see the gears turning a bit, and he's actively trying to figure out where he stands. He hasn't figured out how bad it is, but maybe seeing how social some of the better Coronas are will kick him into gear. I think if he can skate by another boot or two, he might be able to come back.

21. Rorschach
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Rory seems to be making all the wrong decisions here. He's not very active; he asked Starfire for an alliance too fast; he seems to be ignoring Wonder Woman for no particular reason (to the point that she would like to vote him out, but can't because Black Canary is AWOL). [UPDATE via mod info: Rorschach has just implied an alliance to Wonder Woman 2 PMs after starting to talk to her. She appears to find this suggestion hilarious.] If he goes much further, again, it'll be because Corona has a lot of weak vote fodder.

22. Storm
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Storm is basically the prime boring on her very, very boring tribe. Judging from her lack of confessional, I can't tell if she even has a pulse. Deadpool seems to actively not trust her, and want her out. Her only saving grace will be that Corona may just be lame enough for her to hide in it successfully. Still, if she can't please anyone in a 6-person tribe, how will she deal with an 11-person tribe? Is anyone in there?

23. Black Manta
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I was prepared to put this here even before it became more clear than it already was that he was going. Manta's gameplay was just bad. You can't just set up an alliance, then sit on it and make no effort to keep up with anyone. When *anyone* want to keep Red Hood over you, you know you kind of just suck.

24. Black Canary
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Yyyyyyyep.
Edited by Beast, Aug 24 2014, 10:33:33 PM.
 
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1. Starfire (0)
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Nothing different going on here. She's solidified a seemingly very real cross-tribal alliance, which bodes very well.

2. Deadpool (+1)
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I really hope Deadpool's obvious charm doesn't really make him a target as some are starting to speculate. I wish I was playing so I could follow him to the ends of the earth amidst a deluge of lovely pictures. I might cry if he doesn't do well. <3

He's still doing very well, with the new Starfire alliance, and a somewhat bigger alliance he seems to be starting to form (#ModKnowledge).

3. Zatanna (+3)
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Zatanna is chugging along. Seems to be jumping in with Starfire's cross tribal alliance, potentially, which is made up of most of Corona's solid players.

4. Mysterio (+3)
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Mysterio is kind of another mystery. Some people seem to think he's a possible target down the line; everyone sees him as close with Loki; and he seems earnest in his talk with QB, but she's throwing it in his face... but I think he'll survive for sure.

5. Loki (0)
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Loki needs to write a confessional. I get the impression he's doing okay, but nothing new is really springing up for him that I can see.

6. Rocket Raccoon (+7)
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Rocket Raccoon is right in the center of Deadpool's plans and (both of his) alliances. He's quite lovable in his own right, too. Probably a great spot.

7. Zod (-5)
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Zod has been notably absent here, or so it seems. He's made much less of an impression with Marvel than one might hope, but being out of the Penumbra limelight is *not* bad.

8. Queen Bee (0)
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Queen Bee has done okay here. She's made the only real cross-tribal Penumbra alliance, and even though she doesn't fully trust it, it should help her. In addition, Marvel reached out to try to recruit her, which indicates she's doing the best job with them. The PM exchange she just posted with Mysterio started out very well on her end, but went seriously downhill.

9. Riddler (0)
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Dropping off the map confesh wise a bit, but looks to be just another DC villain right now, and that's not an awful thing to be. Only difference is we get to suspect his social game is somewhat above par for the course.

10. Enchantress (+8)
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Enchantress single-handedly seems to have prevented a pagonging of the DC villains, which certainly buys my goodwill. She's made an interesting play here, but time will tell whether it's actually good for her. I think flipping was likely correct, but she'd have made swap either way...

11. Two-Face (-1)
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Two-Face got into a scuffle with Doom (thanks, I think, to Mystique?), but seems to have recovered more than admirably, and Doom's stock may be falling with his incoming feud with Mystique anyway.

12. Moon Knight (0)
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Moon Knight actually looks better to me than he did before. Still riding Deadpool's coattails a bit, but he seems to be holding his own in dealing with the other side-- they don't see him purely as a lapdog.

13. Doctor Doom (-9)
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Doom has stumbled a bit here. It's hard to rank Penumbra before I know how their TC will turn out, and who will ultimately end up on board with what, but this was not a good week for Doom.

14. Wonder Woman (-3)
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I can't honestly say I know what Wonder Woman has been doing this round. Aside from somehow allying with Rorschach. What.

15. Gambit (+2)
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Gambit apparently has started running around for a big alliance that didn't really have much basis; he thinks he has enough social credit with a number of players to make it happen, but he doesn't. A modified version is supplanting his original, largely to circumvent Robin. Gambit is aligned with the right people, but not strongly. I guess it's good that he's making some kind of power play, but I don't see it working.

16. Mystique (0)
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Mystique continues to put herself at the center of attention. Though she's widely distrusted, voting for Ultron (if it goes through) may buy her goodwill. Likely enough with DC to survive the phase if she plays her cards passably, but I could see her getting in trouble as a compromise vote.

17. Storm (+5)
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Deadpool has expressed some positivity in this direction, but that's all I got.

18. Ultron (-4)
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Ultron pissed off the wrong person, but I'm not actually sure exactly how he did it. He's playing scapegoat something fierce here, and I don't think he even knows it... but, yes, I still think everyone south of him is worse.

19. Rorschach (+2)
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Apparently has an alliance at least, but is making zero impact on the game.


20. Robin (-5)
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Who?

21. Wolverine (-1)
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Who?

22. Red Hood (-3)
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Red Hood has no idea what is going on, and I don't understand what he is doing or why. He doesn't seem to grasp the significance of the social game, i.e. it being most of the game.
Edited by Beast, Aug 26 2014, 11:42:10 PM.
 
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I really hope Deadpool's obvious charm doesn't really make him a target as some are starting to speculate. I wish I was playing so I could follow him to the ends of the earth amidst a deluge of lovely pictures. I might cry if he doesn't do well. <3

THIS SO MUCH!
 
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...and robot pal Skeets!
I think Red Hood is playing mafia, where you can yell at everyone. If he stays, he's never going to be a good player if he doesn't learn from this experience.

It's weird because I thought Mysterio was in a terrible position but the only way that's true is if the Marvel Villians get counter-pagonged. But atm he does seem to be doing okay.

Moon Knight + Deadpool are a power couple. Moon Knight I think may appear more coattail-ridey than he actually is just because Deadpool has such a strong personality. Personally I think Deadpool is more likely to be taken out than MK.

Maybe I should just shut up and make my own list.
 
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I think Mysterio is handling this very well, and although my placement of him initially was not entirely justified, I think it is now. He's really making the best he can of it, and Riddler's vote change indicates it may be working.
 
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Yeah I'd agree with that.

It's weird because the bad position that he was/is in is better than the good position Mystique/Enchantress or the collective DC villains were/are in.
 
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Rather than fixing my last post in light of what happened after I made it, I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist and press on.
 
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1. Starfire (0)
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Wake me up when something actually happens to Corona.

2. Mysterio (+2)
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Mysterio may lose an ally in Loki this week, but he looks to be really rolling with the punches and saying in a pretty commanding position. In fact, he seems to be making Loki-less plans already anyway. I think he's going to do very well.

3. Deadpool (-1)
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Wake me up when something actually happens to Corona. Deadpool's Monika impression, positionally speaking, is spot on... but that didn't work out so hot. This game has twists, and they are not going to help him.

4. Zatanna (-1)
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Wake me up when something actually happens to Corona.

5. Moon Knight (+7)
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Moon Knight continues to rock it. I see him going far, especially while Deadpool is around. I had him way, way too low before.

6. Doctor Doom (+7)
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Great recovery and a lot of clear thinking from him this issue.

7. Rocket Raccoon (-1)
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Wake me up when something actually happens to Corona 83

8. Zod (-1)
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The trend of Zod looking vaguely strong whilst not being in the center of anything continues this week.

9. Riddler (0)
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Riddler seems to have a fair bit of influence, but I don't feel like he is actually doing anything; still, he doesn't actually need to do anything, and I don't think he cares who goes home here as long as it's not him.

10. Two-Face (+1)
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See Riddler, only he's thinking/panicking harder, and has less influence. Very middle of the pack at this point.

11. Queen Bee (-3)
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Queen Bee is in a bad position now after getting blindsided by the Red Hood vote. However, she has the social prowess to recover if she gets a tribe swap soon.

12. Wonder Woman (+2)
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Come back, Wonder Woman! She moves up a bit in the wake of others' mistakes.

13. Wolverine (+8)
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Wolvy had a very slow start, but he just might be starting to figure out how this game works. I'm not giving up on him.

14. Loki (-9)
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The heat Loki's getting here seems to be partially fueled by Enchantress' bullshit, and partially by him falling off the map a bit and players not really caring about him. Even if he survives, this is not good.

15. Gambit (0)
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Gambit's social miscue is still the most apparent thing about him. Again, at least he's trying, but he's doing it wrong.

16. Storm (+1)
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Wake me up when something actually happens to Corona.

17. Ultron (+1)
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Ultron...still seems to see the game as Marvel vs. DC, and he is literally the only one. This does not please me.

18. Mystique (-2)
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Her kingdom for a tribe swap! Mystique is going to flip to anyone who will take her the moment she gets a chance, especially if this is the end of Enchantress.

19. Enchantress (-9)
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If Enchantress gets away with this it'll be the crime of the century; however, I think she is likely to be voted out even though no one's figured out it was her! If she can make it to a tribe swap, she'll get a much needed second wind.

20. Rorschach (+1 by default)
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Hurry up and get voted out please.
Edited by Beast, Aug 28 2014, 05:02:39 PM.
 
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