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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 16 2017, 10:18 PM (169 Views) | |
| Webster | Apr 16 2017, 10:18 PM Post #1 |
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(The Guardian) Hello and welcome to the Guardian’s live coverage of Turkey’s landmark referendum. Voting is under way for the historic vote that will determine whether President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan will be allowed to enforce sweeping new powers. Erdoğan wants to replace the parliamentary system with an executive presidency – arguing that it will bring stability and modernise the country. But opponents fear it could lead to greater authoritarianism, a lack of parliamentary and judicial oversight and see Erdoğan remain in office until 2029. About 55 million people are eligible to vote across 167,000 polling stations, with the results expected to be announced later this evening. |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:16 AM Post #31 |
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![]() --Whatever the result is, at this very moment, the biggest cities of Turkey are saying Hayir (No). (Ilke Toygur, Real Institute Elcano - 16 April 2017) --If yes wins, it's a very slim majority for such a fundamental change. AKP stronghold of Istanbul voting no would be a blow #Turkeyreferendum (Ayla Jean Yackley, 16 April 2017) |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:19 AM Post #32 |
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(The Guardian) Deputy PM: We didn't get the amount of yes votes we hoped for --Turkey’s deputy prime minister, Veysi Kaynak, has said: “We didn’t get the amount of Yes votes we hoped for,” according to BBC journalist Seref Isler. |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:20 AM Post #33 |
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![]() --#TurkeysChoice: Results in #TurkeyReferendum as of 16:41GMT Votes counted: 95.69% Yes: 51.62% No: 48.38% (TRT World, 16 April 2017) |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:21 AM Post #34 |
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![]() --Anadolu Agency is reporting 98.5% of the boxes counted. Yes at 51.49%. No at 48.51%. #Turkeyreferendum (Alp Ozcelik, BuzzFeed News - 16 April 2017)] |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:22 AM Post #35 |
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--#BREAKING: Turkey votes “YES” in historic referendum and moves toward an executive presidency #TurkeysChoice http://trtworld.com/referendum (TRT World, 16 April 2017) |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:23 AM Post #36 |
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--#BREAKING Turkish PM Binali Yıldırım to speak at 21.00 local time #Turkeyreferandum (CNN Turk, 16 April 2017) |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:24 AM Post #37 |
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(The Guardian) The Turkish news outlet Hürriyet is reporting that the main opposition CHP’s deputy leader, Erdal Aksünger, has alleged manipulation in state-run Anadolu agency’s reporting on votes in Istanbul, saying they had falsely said more votes had been counted than was actually the case. He said the real number of opened ballot boxes was just 57%. Anadolu said the yes vote was at 51% while the no vote was at 49%. --Read more: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/live-yes-votes-ahead-in-turkeys-referendum-on-executive-presidency.aspx?pageID=238&nID=112061&NewsCatID=338 |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:28 AM Post #38 |
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(The Guardian) Disparity in reporting of opened ballots --Turkey’s high electoral board are also saying that the number of opened ballots is lower than the figures being given on state-run news agency Anadolu. --Spoke to High Electoral Board just now. Official figures given: 60% ballot boxes opened Yes - 53.98% No - 46.02% (Selin Girit, BBC News - 16 April 2017) --Don't forget: Anadolu Agency numbers show 99% of ballot boxes opened. The Supreme Election Committee official number is 65% opened. (Alp Ozcelik, Buzzfeed News - 16 April 2017) |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:29 AM Post #39 |
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(The Guardian) (Guardian reporter) Helena Smith has sent this from Greece, where people are nervously watching the results come in: Greece, Turkey’s closest EU neighbour, longstanding Nato ally and regional rival is watching the results of the referendum especially closely given mounting tensions between the two. With bilateral relations at their lowest ebb since Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his neo-Islamist AKP party first assumed power in 2002, Greek diplomats are placing great import on today’s referendum outcome. Almost none believe that Erdoğan, who in previous years had done much to improve ties with Greece, stands any real chance of losing the popular vote. Relations between the two nations have become ever more tense in the run-up to the ballot as irregular refugee flows from the Turkish coast have increased, violations of Greek air and sea space have soared and Erdoğan has ratcheted up his nationalist rhetoric, this week referring to Greece as “the land of infidels”. But while the Turkish leader has become more unpredictable, Greek diplomats and officials privately hope he will win the vote, viewing his victory and concomitant augmentation of power as the way to a potential pacification of ties. If Erdoğan becomes “sultan for life”, some believe his newly reinforced hand will also enable Turkey to participate that much more constructively in resolving the decades-old problem of war-partitioned Cyprus when reunification talks resume next week. |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:29 AM Post #40 |
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--#Erdogan campaign song has started at #AKP HQ in #Ankara. They think here that they've clinched it (Mark Lowen, BBC News - 16 April 2017) |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:31 AM Post #41 |
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(The Guardian) Reuters have filed this dispatch: • Yes lead narrows as main cities narrowly set to oppose • Erdoğan says new powers needed to face Turkey’s challenges • Opponents say yes vote would mark authoritarian move Votes for constitutional change to hand President Tayyip Erdoğan sweeping powers held a narrow lead with almost all ballot boxes opened on Sunday, but Turkey’s three largest cities and the mainly Kurdish southeast looked set to vote no. The yes votes stood at 51.7% after 95% of ballots had been opened, state-run Anadolu news agency said, with the lead narrowing in the final stages of an increasingly tight count. A yes vote would replace Turkey’s parliamentary democracy with an all-powerful presidency and may see Erdoğan in office until at least 2029, in the most radical change to the country’s political system in its modern history. The outcome will also shape Turkey’s strained relations with the European Union. The Nato member state has curbed the flow of migrants – mainly refugees from wars in Syria and Iraq – into the bloc but Erdoğan says he may review the deal after the vote. In Turkey’s three biggest cities - Istanbul, Izmir and the capital Ankara - the no camp appeared set to prevail narrowly, according to Turkish television stations. Speaking to reporters in Ankara, the deputy prime minister, Veysi Kaynak, said that the yes camp had not won as many votes as expected, but was still ahead nationwide. Earlier in the day a crowd chanted Erdoğan’s name and applauded as the president shook hands and greeted people after voting in a school near his home in Istanbul. His staff handed out toys for children in the crowd. “God willing, I believe our people will decide to open the path to much more rapid development,” Erdoğan said in the polling station after casting his vote. “I believe in my people’s democratic common sense.” The yes percentage of the vote – which stood at 63% after about a quarter had been opened – eased as the count came further west towards Istanbul and the Aegean coast. The broadcaster Haberturk said turnout was 86%. The opposition People’s Republican party (CHP) said a last-minute decision by the electoral board to accept unstamped ballots as valid votes put the vote in question. “We will pursue a legal battle. If the irregularities are not fixed, there will be a serious legitimacy discussion,” the CHP deputy chairman, Bülent Tezcan, said. -Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-referendum-minister-idUSKBN17I0L7?il=0&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:34 AM Post #42 |
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(The Guardian) Celebrations have already begun at the AKP headquarters across the street in anticipation of the referendum result being announced. However, opponents of the changes are stressing that the result is not yet a foregone conclusion because of the discrepancies between ballots opened and ballots counted. We are still awaiting the final result with such a close race. |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:35 AM Post #43 |
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![]() --Unlike state media, #Turkey's High Electoral Board (YSK) reporting 68.2 ballots have been counted with 53.5% "Yes" and 46.5% "No". @dwnews (Diego Cupolo, Deutsche Welle - 16 April 2017) |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:37 AM Post #44 |
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--Opposition parties CHP and HDP report widespeard irregularities, claim the counting is not over. (Mahir Zeynalov, Huffington Post Europe - 16 April 2017) |
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| Webster | Apr 17 2017, 12:43 AM Post #45 |
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(The Guardian) Turkish main opposition to demand recount of up to 60% of votes --The CHP, Turkey’s main opposition party, have announced they will be contesting the validity of 60% of the ballots, after unconfirmed reports of large numbers of votes without official stamps. --Turkey's opposition CHP says it will challenge the results of today's referendum after initial results show a narrow victory for 'yes' vote (Jared Malsin, Time - 16 April 2017) --MHP rebel Özdağ tells Fox TV even if 93% of boxes have been opened, only 60% of the votes have been counted & 60% of them are under appeal (Ankarali Jan, Republican People's Party/MHP - 16 April 2017) |
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