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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 10:15 AM Post #1 |
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(The Guardian) Welcome to the Guardian’s coverage of the G20 summit in Hamburg, where the leaders of the world’s major economies are meeting for what looks set to be one of the most fractious gatherings in years. The first face-to-face meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin at 3.45pm CET has grabbed the headlines. But with multiple major disagreements to address in a period of real global uncertainty there are many reasons why the two-day summit in the northern German port city could prove volatile both inside and – with police and protestors already clashing – outside the venue. Issues and leaders to watch include: --North Korea’s first successful launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile. US president Donald Trump will seek to persuade his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, to exert more pressure. --German Chancellor Angela Merkel wanted global migration and climate change to top the summit agenda and has vowed to strongly defend the 2015 Paris climate accord with EU allies after Trump pulled the US out last month. --Trump also faces clashes, particularly with Germany and China, over his protectionist “buy American, hire American” agenda. He is reportedly weighing punitive 20% tariffs on steel imports. --Trump’s encounter with Putin will be closely watched: the pair disagree on foreign policy from Syria to Ukraine and North Korea, Trump on Thursday accused Russia of acting as a destabilising force, and US intelligence officials’ have repeatedly said Putin directed a major hacking operation to tip the presidential election Trump’s way. --Trump’s talks with Xi will also be critical; the two are at odds over policy towards North Korea, trade, arms sales and territorial waters. --Merkel’s meeting with Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan is also likely to be a frosty affair, with relations between Berlin and Ankara badly strained by rights abuses in the wake of Turkey’s failed coup last year. And the summit takes place against a backdrop of mass street protests by radical, hard left and anti-globalisation activists, including up to 8,000 potentially violent extremists. Some 20,000 police are on duty and rallies have been banned in a large area of the city, which has a long history of violent protest. Police used water canon and pepper spray on Thursday night as up to 12,000 demonstrators, some wearing masks, set off on a “Welcome to Hell” march. Cars were set alight, bottles and smoke bombs thrown, and police said 74 officers were wounded, most with minor injuries. |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 01:40 PM Post #31 |
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--Tillerson on Trump/Putin meeting: The two leaders "connected very quickly"..."very clear positive chemistry" (Jamie Dupree, WSB Atlanta - 7 July 2017) --Tillerson on length of Trump/Putin meeting: "such a level of engagement and exchange, neither one of them wanted to stop." (Hallie Jackson, NBC News - 7 July 2017) |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 01:53 PM Post #32 |
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--Trump "pressed Putin more than once" on Russian interference in 2016 election, Tillerson said. (Jeff Zeleny, CNN - 7 July 2017) --NEW: Sec. Tillerson says Putin, POTUS talked "interference in democratic processes" of US and other countries. (Hallie Jackson, NBC News - 7 July 2017) |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 01:55 PM Post #33 |
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--BREAKING: Tillerson says Trump opened meeting with Putin raising concern about Russian interference in US election; Putin denied role. (Associated Press, 7 July 2017) --Lavrov claims Trump told Putin he had heard his entreaties that Russia did not hack the election and accepts them. (Shaun Walker, The Guardian - 7 July 2017) --Lavrov is unusually irritable in his chat with Russian press. (Shaun Walker, The Guardian - 7 July 2017) |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 01:56 PM Post #34 |
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(The Guardian) US, Russia offer contradictory versions of conversation about election tampering --Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov told reporters that Trump had accepted Putin’s denial of tampering in the US election. US secretary of state Rex Tillerson, however, offered a different picture. He told reporters that it was not clear whether the two countries would ever come to a resolution on the question of election interference. Tillerson said that Trump had pressed Putin more than once about Russian involvement in election tampering, and Putin denied Russian tampering. Here’s the Guardian’s Shaun Walker with more on Lavrov’s statement: An unusually irritable Sergei Lavrov took questions from the Russian media. It sounded like there had been few major breakthroughs. The most interesting part was his claim that Trump had told Putin he found it “strange” that there was a “campaign” over alleged Russian hacking in the election as there has been no proof. Lavrov claims Trump told Putin he had heard his entreaties that Russia did not hack the election and accepts them. That’s at odds with Rex Tillerson’s account of a fundamental disagreement. |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 01:57 PM Post #35 |
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(The Guardian) Tillerson: Trump wants to move past election tampering --Tillerson said he thinks Trump “is rightly focused on how do we move forward from something that may be an intractable disagreement at this point,” the AP reports. The “intractable disagreement” being conflicting Russian and US views on who tampered with the US election. The Russian side says Trump accepted Putin’s denial of tampering. US intelligence agencies have warned that Russia will keep up efforts to interfere in US and other elections, and that a failure to acknowledge the tampering makes the United States more vulnerable to future tampering. |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 02:01 PM Post #36 |
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--BREAKING: Tillerson says after Trump-Putin meeting that Russia has asked for proof of involvement in election interference. (Associated Press, 7 July 2017) |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 02:02 PM Post #37 |
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--Putin and Trump "connected very quickly. There was a very clear positive chemistry between the two," Tillerson tells US press. (Jennifer Jacobs, Bloomberg News - 7 July 2017) |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 02:04 PM Post #38 |
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(The Guardian) Here’s further language from Tillerson, this time via CBS News, in which the secretary of state indicates that the White House wishes to move quickly past Russia’s flat denial of election tampering, which contradicts US intelligence assessments (and which is at the center of multiple ongoing congressional and justice department investigations which could implicate people around the president or possibly the president)... --Tillerson says Trump and Putin didn't see much value in "relitigating of the past" and want to start making the US-Russia relationship work. (Mark Knoller, CBS News - 7 July 2017) |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 02:53 PM Post #39 |
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(The Guardian) Trump-Putin: 'neither one of them wanted to stop,' Tillerson says --White House aides sent Melania Trump into the Putin-Trump meeting around the 80-minute mark to try to break it up, but the meeting went on for another hour, Tillerson said, AP reports: “There was so much to talk about,” said Tillerson. “Neither one of them wanted to stop.” He added that at one point, aides sent in first lady Melania Trump to try to wrap up the talks, but the meeting went on another hour after that, “so clearly she failed.” |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 02:54 PM Post #40 |
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(The Guardian) May raises North Korea in meeting with Chinese president --Politics editor Anushka Asthana is at the summit: Theresa May has had a 30-minute bilateral meeting with China’s Xi Jinping in which she raised questions over North Korea and steel-dumping, but also talked of a “golden era” of relations between the two countries. A senior No 10 official said the session began with the president saying that Chinese investment into Britain had increased since the Brexit vote, and that was a sign of confidence in the country. “He said that Brexit was a very big event for the world but that he believed a prosperous and stable and open UK and prosperous and stable and open EU would be positive for the world and that China would work to further promote its interests with Britain and with the European Union,” they said. May said that as the UK got ready to leave the EU it wanted to build on trade agreements with other countries, including China. The official added: “The prime minister said because the countries have such a strong relationship they can discuss the areas in which they have differences.” In particular, she talked about overproduction of steel, and said she wanted China to put more pressure on North Korea. |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 02:57 PM Post #41 |
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(The Guardian) Analysis: Putin likely to count Trump meeting as a win --Guardian Moscow correspondent Shaun Walker writes: Vladimir Putin is likely to count the format and tone of his long meeting with Donald Trump as a win – even if nothing much of substance was discussed. Russia’s election hacking was raised during the meeting, but it does not appear to have taken top billing. US secretary of state Rex Tillerson said Trump was “rightly focused on how do we move forward” from the issue, while Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov even claimed Trump had told Putin he accepted the Russian leader’s denials of involvement. Setting up a working group on non-interference in future elections – as Tillerson said had been agreed – is hardly likely to reassure those in Washington worried about Russia’s actions. A trustworthy account of exactly how the meeting went down is unlikely to surface: another win for Putin was the makeup of the room. In addition to the two presidents, the only people present were the respective foreign ministers and two translators. This means there is no chance of leaks, as happened when Lavrov visited the White House in May and it later emerged that Trump had shared sensitive intelligence with the Russians. The personalised format of the meeting excluded those in Trump’s team who are more sceptically minded on Russia, such as national security adviser HR McMaster, and Trump’s senior Russia adviser Fiona Hill, a longstanding Russia expert. Russian television emphasised the length of the meeting, which ran more than four times over its scheduled half-hour length, as a sign of Russia’s importance. The news of a US-Russia agreement on a ceasefire in southwestern Syria, announced as the meeting was ongoing, is an example of the kind of top-table diplomacy Putin would like to do with Trump. Putin looked impassive, but he would have been smiling inside. As journalists were hurried out of the room, Putin appeared to gesture to Trump and ask if these journalists were the ones who had insulted Trump, laughing at his own joke. Presumably Putin had been briefed that a disdain for supposed “fake news” would be a promising area of potential common ground with the US president. |
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| Webster | Jul 7 2017, 03:23 PM Post #42 |
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(The Guardian) Analysis: Putin and Trump, cut from the same cloth? --As they leaned deeply towards one another in Hamburg, it was all too easy to see and hear the similarities between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. Trump said it was “an honor” to be with Putin, who gushed that he was “delighted to meet” Trump. “We look forward to a lot of very positive things happening for Russia and for the United States and for everybody concerned,” Trump offered. You can only wonder at the scale of conservative outrage if Barack Obama had hoped first for Russian happiness, and second for American success. “America first” takes second place when Vladimir is sitting close to Donald. “We spoke over the phone with you several times,” Putin replied. “But phone conversations are never enough, definitely.” How true. In any long-distance relationship, you need something more physical to make it real. Along with a team of collaborators with curiously close ties throughout a big election and its aftermath. It’s tempting to think that Trump and Putin are cut from the same cloth. They both like to style themselves as strongmen... -Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/07/trump-putin-meeting-g20-russia |
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