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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 27 2017, 09:05 PM (59 Views) | |
| Webster | Oct 27 2017, 09:05 PM Post #1 |
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![]() ....just breaking over the wires as we speak....
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| Webster | Oct 27 2017, 09:19 PM Post #2 |
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University of New Hampshire professor Seth Abramson has a twitter thread on the events breaking here.... (1) BREAKING NEWS: First Charges Filed in Trump-Russia Probe, At Least One Arrest Expected Soon (2) I'd predicted the first charges would be filed in November, so this timeframe is even more aggressive than the one I'd been working from. (3) We don't know who's going to be arrested on Monday—or, given that the news is public now, much sooner—but in order of likelihood I'd say: (4) Manafort (previously informed by Mueller's agents he'd be indicted); small gap; Flynn (FARA and/or Making False Statements); big gap... (5) Kushner (making sworn false statements; Obstruction); small gap; some other person previously undisclosed; small gap; Don (Obstruction). (6) For investigative reasons, you'd tend to issue every indictment you're already prepared on all at once—unless you expect someone to roll. (7) By no means does that suggest these indictments are "all Mueller has"—far from it. This is the beginning of the next stage in the probe. (8) The moment charges are filed, you can begin exerting real pressure on witnesses, through their attorneys, to roll on the big fish—Trump. (9) If the charges filed—once unsealed or reported on (somehow) while sealed—aren't very closely tied to collusion, Trump will go ballistic. (10) The probe stage I predicted would begin in November is starting now. Mueller is now at risk of having Trump try to fire him at any time. (11) This stage also brings the possibility we'll have announcement of a cooperating individual at any time—which would be earth-shattering. (12) You only let a smaller fish wriggle free—or, more likely, simply receive less punishment—when they can help deliver a much bigger fish. (13) So if the indictment is Trump's campaign manager, this "early" indictment suggests they will be pressing him to help them get the POTUS. (14) I say that because if it's a random fish, the large target could be Manafort; if the fish is Manafort, the large target is likely Trump. (15) There's little reason for Mueller to use Manafort to get Kushner, Don, or Page. Only Trump or the Attorney General would make any sense. (16) (I should add: in the "likelihood ranking" I gave earlier, Sessions—perjury—ranks after Don. Page falls in the "other person" category.) (17) The historic import of this moment can't be overstated. This is the beginning of something very big, however some may wish it's the end. (18) If the indictment's for financial crimes, Mueller is moving very quickly here, as those cases—especially when international—are complex. (19) If it's a testimonial or technical offense—perjury; making false statements; failing to register as a foreign agent—the case is simpler. (20) If it's Obstruction, this is a *somewhat* fast indictment, as those cases can be hard to prove—though *not* as hard as some pundits say. (21) One might seal a criminal indictment for many reasons, usually having to do with the investigation—e.g. when you want a witness to roll. (22) You might also do it not to taint other witnesses, provoke a witness to flee or show your hand in terms of the facts you've accumulated. (23) The fact that the indictment leaked relatively quickly means the identity of the defendant will leak quicker—as an arrest will be seen. (24) And if somehow the feds bring the defendant in quietly and secretly, it seems clear we'll learn the defendant's identity in short order. (25) Don't let pundits tell you the nature of the charge, or who's hit with it, shows Mueller's hand—this is the *beginning* of a long stage. (26) PS, I agree with any who note this leak is bad. I also think this is the biggest criminal case of our lifetimes—so "no leaks" is impossible. |
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| Webster | Oct 27 2017, 09:23 PM Post #3 |
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Long-time GOP strategist Rick Wilson has his own take on tonight's breaking news.... (1) I told y'all on Twitter and Periscope and elsewhere; Mueller doesn't care about the static and the noise. (2) Given the team he assembled and the information he has access to, no tweet or Fox story or meme what's going to change the methodical... (3) ... and serious nature of the investigation and the legal consequences involved. Trump is the guy with the fancy Kung Fu roundhouse kick (4) Mueller is the guy standing 20 feet away with a .45 waiting for the right moment. (5) A lot of friends tried to run with the uranium one story. I didn't get hyped up on it because it was always a distraction. |
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| Webster | Oct 27 2017, 09:25 PM Post #4 |
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--Robert Mueller has just convinced a grand jury to return an indictment and @seanhannity is talking about Hillary colluding with Russia with absolutely no mention of the indictment. (Ed Krassenstein, 27 Oct. 2017) |
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| Webster | Oct 27 2017, 09:29 PM Post #5 |
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.....quoting West Wing Reports..... (1) First charges have been filed in Mueller investigation - sealed tonight under orders from federal judge (CNN) (2) The charges mean that the first arrest (or arrests) could be made as soon as Monday, CNN's sources say. Nervous weekend for some #Mueller (3) In a country where rule of law is - and always will be - paramount, @realdonaldtrump does not determine if something is a "witch hunt" |
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| Webster | Oct 27 2017, 11:10 PM Post #6 |
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....Reuters is also reporting the same as well.....
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| Webster | Oct 27 2017, 11:15 PM Post #7 |
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![]() --For those scoring at home, save this Fox News graphic praising Mueller's biography for when they now decide he's the devil incarnate #Frauds (John Ziegler, 27 Oct. 2017) |
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| Webster | Oct 28 2017, 12:23 AM Post #8 |
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Democratic Underground: And Fox News's Response Is...
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| Mozzie | Oct 28 2017, 01:02 AM Post #9 |
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I think this is all just a front, i have a hard tie believing that Russia had anything to do with it, read it all here https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/25/rand_paul_rumors_that_democrats_leaked_clinton_emails_to_wikileaks_russians_were_their_centrifuge.html |
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| Webster | Oct 28 2017, 01:51 AM Post #10 |
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The day I would trust Wikileaks, Mozzie, would be about the same day I score a date with these rockers below.... ![]() ....and that dog just don't freaking hunt, my friend.... |
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| Webster | Oct 28 2017, 01:52 AM Post #11 |
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![]() --Wow. Roger Stone is losing what's left of his mind. (Pe Resists, 28 Oct. 2017) |
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| Webster | Oct 28 2017, 01:58 AM Post #12 |
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*continues earlier thought* But as I look at it, Mozzie, what Bob Mueller is doing here is the same thing that you would do in going after a criminal organization: indict someone lower down on the ladder and use the pressure of a federal indictment - and trust me, the Feds' don't do anything without making sure everything's dotted and crossed beforehand - to get them to flip and roll on those higher up. Watch to see who the indictment is for; if its' Kushner, Flynn, Donnie Jr. or Page, that likely means Paul Manafort needs to start negotiating with Mueller....on the other hand, if its' Manafort whose name is on that indictment, that tells me Mueller's looking at Trump as the main target, not Manafort. |
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| Webster | Oct 28 2017, 01:20 PM Post #13 |
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--Multiple sources say Trump “completely lost his mind” after he found out Mueller’s filed charges & now he’s “having an epic meltdown” #AMJoy (Scott Dworkin, 28 Oct. 2017) |
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