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| Physiology of vampires; A little guide to RP | |
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| Topic Started: Thursday, 28. November 2013, 19:30 (1,308 Views) | |
| Clarice Harris | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 19:30 Post #1 |
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Sexually abused by a Jew
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Every vampire is clinically dead. What does it mean? Majority of organs won't work until stimulated at expense of blood. As vampires are aging, some of these organs will deteriorate. Some remain intact, but function in different manner What remains (partly) functional:
What doesn't function anymore:
Additional notes about slumber:
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| Alarik | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 19:46 Post #2 |
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Interesting stuff. Not sure if I agree with your assessment of the hormonal system, though. The blood bond and frenzy both seem to be supernaturally enhanced hormonal responses. And vampires are still capable of feelings that are regulated by hormones and the brain's biochemistry, such as basic affection. |
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| Clarice Harris | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 19:55 Post #3 |
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Ah, that's of medical knowledge. Hormones are supposed to adjust basically every somatic process, it's a system working in addition to neural transmission. Mind hormones are transported via blood circulation, which is non-existant unless blood is spent to temporarily restore it Such feelings as affection are regulated by neurotransmitters which remain closed in synapses. That's also the way Dementation (and possibly Presence/Domination) work, they change biochemic balance of brain |
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| Victoria Scott | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 20:32 Post #4 |
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Nice post, but wait a second. Vamps can actually tattoo themselves after the embrace, and even pierce their skin. A tattoo by itself is not a wound or a scar, it's ink located between the 2 upper layers of the skin. The immune system is what makes the tattoo itchy and inflamed as it treats ink as an alien to the body, but being not a real wound, and vampires not having immune system, the ink will just stay there. The only different will be that the skin above the ink will heal much faster. As for piercings, the wound won't heal if the piece is not removed, in my opinion. Also, vampires can get scars if the wounds are made by supernatural weapons OR fire; that is to say, aggravated wounds. Edit: just to say, love for example is regularised by both neurotransmiters and hormones, such as oxytocin. Fear and anger can be both regularised by adrenalyn. I'd say, either vamps doesn't have the same human reactions, or their glands still work or are replaced by some vampiric systems. It could actually connect with the fact that the less humane a vampire is, the less he looks and feels like one. Maybe the changes in its body switchs glands off and that's why (apart from the beast) they eventually end up being psychopaths? Edited by Victoria Scott, Thursday, 28. November 2013, 20:38.
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| Lucy Fehrer | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 20:41 Post #5 |
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Every forum I've been on has treated these things differently. In general, most have agreed that any and all alterations to the body including ink and piercings would be rejected over the course of the day while they sleep to return the vampire to the state they were in when Embraced. But again, depends on how you choose to interpret things. White Wolf stated that all bodily fluids were replaced by blood, which suggests they don't really have that much of a clue since that would make the eyes either all bloody (if the eye fluid was replaced by blood) or shrivel up (if no fluid was present at all). And they'd all look like they have some seriously bleeding gum issues. So I've always felt it was up to each game to decide what they thought were right. Since, as is the case with a lot of things form WW, it's up for interpretation (due to constantly contradicting itself and/or lacking references or definite rules). And then there's the whole matter of wants/needs/instincts, which can get pretty jumbled and again is source for interpretation by each game. And again, never been in two games that completely agreed on this point either. Usually, I've seen it all handled pretty loosely though with references to a vampire age, nature, humanity/path rating etc to justify things for each character. Edit: in the end, vampires are supernatural and in a world were vampires, wraiths, werewolves, mages and whatnots all exists, do things really need to have a definitive explanation? Sure,t hey're walking talking corpses, but I'm not entirely sure it can all be defined medically. Since, yeah, walking talking corpses. Edited by Lucy Fehrer, Thursday, 28. November 2013, 20:43.
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| Victoria Scott | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 20:51 Post #6 |
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I'm ok with not taking what WW states to the letter, but I do think we should state in this forum what things we take and what not, since someone being pretty strict with his/her char vampirism can pose an advantage to someone who is not. Like, for example, the eating/drinking matter. I'd summarize the whole thing: Vampires are ROTTEN inside. Mummified, dry, a hollow carcass full of rotting guts. You can't drink or get drunk by directly ingesting alcohol. If you are willing to get drunk like a teenager, you need to take the processed alcohol molecules on the blood of a mortal. Same happens with drugs. |
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| Lucy Fehrer | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 21:01 Post #7 |
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I think that's mentioned in the merit Eat Food, isn't it? That it only helps maintain the masquerade, but does nothing beyond that as it states you can ingest but not digest. |
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| Clarice Harris | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 21:20 Post #8 |
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I totally agree with regulation of the food/drink merit. It would be nice to have mods look into it and take as much of this thread as they need to create additional rules Note on vampiric feelings
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| Alarik | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 21:28 Post #9 |
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I've always tended to see the Beast as more of a metaphor that some vampires use to externalise their inherently selfish/evil impulses. It's not an actual Beast nor is it an organ. |
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| Machine | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 22:16 Post #10 |
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Well, it kind of exists. Frenzy is triggered by it, and when your Humanity hits 1, you turn into a ravenous animal. Call it Beast, call it "instincts", I dunno. I read it was one of the punishments Caine gave to his Children when he freaked out, apart from Clan flaws.
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| Alarik | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 22:32 Post #11 |
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First thought: OMG ITS CAIN. (Re: Machine) Second thought: yes, it exists, but it is not something 'external' to the vampire. It is just an instinct that can be stronger or weaker depending on the circumstances. |
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| Toran | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 22:36 Post #12 |
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White Wolf uses Caine & Cain interchangeably. Both are correct. The Beast, as my reading has suggested is sort of a coalescence of that Fight/Flight instinct within the vampire. The Primal Subconscious. The fact that vampires can exert partial control over their Beast infers that it is still connected to their mentality. However, the beast is clearly far more securely attached to the body and blood of a vampire than their human mentality, which they have to fight to maintain. Thus yes, if their humanity drops too low all conscious thought is eradicated and nothing is left but the Beast. It argues then that Beast is a semi-autonomous facet of the vampire's survival instinct. |
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| Machine | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 22:59 Post #13 |
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http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Caine o_o And I agree with Toran's explanation. |
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| Toran | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 23:19 Post #14 |
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One of the important things to be careful of, given White Wolf's history of contradictions, is that when you look up information to be sure you're examining Vampire the Masquerade Revised 3rd edition, not the Vampire 20th anniversary or Vampire the Requiem. Certain things, like Beasts sensing each other and having a sort of internal fight for dominance, weren't introduced until Requiem, for instance. |
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| Machine | Thursday, 28. November 2013, 23:59 Post #15 |
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Oh, I always thought the Beast would fight for dominance over Tory's body, and so I roleplay that o_o. |
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| Toran | Friday, 29. November 2013, 00:02 Post #16 |
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No, in Requiem they included a drive where your beast and another vampire's beast would recognize each other and have a sort of dominance mechanic based on Generation & Blood Potence. It meant that unless a vampire had 2 points of Obfuscate a vampire would already recognize another vampire if they were in the same room. That mechanic was never present in VtM where it was much harder to realize someone was a vampire if they were good at posing as mortal. The beast is definitely always hungry to take control of your personality. |
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| Margo Moreau | Friday, 29. November 2013, 00:41 Post #17 |
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What was the source of information for the ORIGINAL post that Orissa made? Is there a reference for it? |
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| Toran | Friday, 29. November 2013, 00:43 Post #18 |
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That would be scattered through the entire 3rd Edition Core Book, yeah. It's all in there if you read all the story inserts, the tiny snippets, the small boxes. White Wolf is notoriously bad about organizing it's information, you have to dig to get it solid. |
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| Sawyer | Friday, 29. November 2013, 00:54 Post #19 |
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Bits of it may be her own understanding of it, too, which is fine, because the internal logic of the description is spot-on. The inconsistency of kindred physiology is a pet peeve of mine (ask Fred or Tia about that, I rant about it to them enough, haha). This is a wonderful, concise, and very informative overview that I totally appreciate her posting. :3 Lucy's note on fluids is another thing that's really interesting to note/ponder, because it shows how little thought WW put into the actual bodily processes of kindred and how frequently their own accounts seem to disagree. If the vitreous humor, synovial fluid, etc. were really replaced by blood, kindred bodies would be incapable of even functioning! Sometimes canon must be ignored in favor of, well, common sense. Unless one is fond of handwaving in the form of "MAGIC!"- which I never have been, but which WW isn't always averse to.
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| Margo Moreau | Friday, 29. November 2013, 01:31 Post #20 |
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It would make sense that not all Vampire's are cursed exactly the same, so small differences seem reasonable. Emphasis on small differences. After all, flaws can be taken that significantly change things, so non-flaw level differences seem reasonable as well. |
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