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| Awakening of Ur-Shulgi and the Assamite Schism?; ATTN: Takehashi Ryu and mods | |
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| Topic Started: Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:09 (1,367 Views) | |
| Alarik | Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:09 Post #1 |
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Yo, Has Ur-Shulgi liberated the assamites from the blood curse in the continuity on this forum? I need this information in order to judge how Alarik would respond to the presence of an assassin in the city: Copy/paste from the wiki: Final Nights The awakening of Ur-Shulgi, one of the first Assamite Sorcerers and childe of Haqim himself, brought rapid changes on the Clan as a whole. The ancient Methuselah used his tremendous power to break the curse laid upon the Clan, succeeding where other sorcerers had worked for hundreds of years without success. His harsh views and interpretations of the Laws of Haquim, however, triggered various struggles and discomforts, exspecially with his own childe, Al-Ashrad, which resulted in what is commonly called the Schism. Assamite Schism The Assamite castes split apart during the Schism. Ur-Shulgi demanded that other Assamites give up the worship of other gods and only revere Haqim. This resulted in many Assamites being killed, and many more opting to leave Alamut. Ur-Shulgi was particularly vicious towards Muslim Assamites, and killed several elders for refusing to renounce their faith, including the head of the Warrior caste. Some Assamites joined the Camarilla. Most of those that joined the Camarilla were viziers and sorcerers. Warriors that joined the Camarilla are generally seen as loose cannons who must be supervised by their more restrained (and non-vitae-addicted) clan mates. Sorcerers in the Camarilla find their skills in high demand as an alternative to dealing with the Tremere. A small number of Assamites, mostly Warriors, joined the Sabbat. While the Assamite antitribu who had been with the Sabbat for the last 500 years were entirely from Warrior stock, the Warriors opting to join the Sabbat were not entirely welcomed with open arms. Many of the Assamite antitribu elders, particularly in the Black Hand, had defected and left the Sabbat to return to the main clan. This meant the Sabbat was not entirely welcoming because of the recent betrayal. Few sorcerers or viziers joined the Sabbat. Some Assamites chose to go completely independent and avoid all the sects. They also drew away from the main clan, primarily for religious reasons. Few Warriors chose this option. Most Dispossessed Assamites are Viziers or Sorcerers. Many Assamites stayed with the main clan. Most of these were warriors and sorcerers. Virtually all Assamites on the Path of Blood chose to stay with the main clan. |
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| Renard | Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:12 Post #2 |
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Didn't we have something similar with the week of nightmares ? In my opinion, there were no final nights, hence no shism. Thats why the gangrel are still in the Cam here, after all. |
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| Alarik | Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:14 Post #3 |
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So on the plus side: Takehashi Ryu wouldn't yet be a rampaging blood-addicted serial diablerist. On the downside: his apparent desire to join the Camarilla would not have any precedent. Correct? |
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| Renard | Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:17 Post #4 |
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Plus side: Correct Down side: Well, Im not too sure if he really wants to formally join (OK, I didn't follow the presentation thread, so if he did, I'll stand corrected), I got the impression hes more after employment than membership (I know that amounts to the same in Alariks and most others opinion, it doesn't necessarily does in the assamites head, though )
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| Jane Marlow | Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:25 Post #5 |
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Whoa whoa whoa. Pardon my intrusion on this Assamite themed thread, but there was no Week of Nightmares? |
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| Renard | Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:26 Post #6 |
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Unsure, I need to dig the discussion out to say for sure. |
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| Sawyer | Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:46 Post #7 |
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Week of Nightmares is canon for the board, or at least I incorporated it into Vanja's background. If Marko's agreed, I think we can say it happened, just that Gehenna obviously didn't follow after it. |
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| Jane Marlow | Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:46 Post #8 |
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I would appreciate it--I was planning to make a Ravnos whose concept hinged on that event. Also, someone should probably tell Vanja. EDIT: See above. Maybe also adjust so that it didn't completely wipe the clan. Edited by Jane Marlow, Monday, 2. December 2013, 18:47.
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| Takehashi Ryu | Monday, 2. December 2013, 19:13 Post #9 |
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Sorry for the late entry. . .speaking for Ryu, as I can (lol), he isn't looking to be a card carrying member of the sect, just seeking employment as a way to blood tithe back to his sire in Alamut. That said, over time, he could possibly be convinced to join the cause, he has no qualms with the Camarilla and see their rules as easy enough to follow. He's not a diablerist (because of the clan flaw on this board) As for religion, I imagine his sire fell in with The Eldest since I wrote him as staying in Alamut. Also, Ryu is not a Muslim, nor does he care about the religious schism since he's not from that region. His own religious beliefs meant little as he studied death more than shintoism as a child learning ninjitsu. |
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| Takehashi Ryu | Monday, 2. December 2013, 20:33 Post #10 |
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Ooooh, questions, if Ur-Shulgi is back, did he break the Tremere curse? Wouldn't that, in effect, change the clan flaw so that diablerie was a valid option for Assamites? From my recollection, it was one of the first things he did after waking up. If this was possible, would it effect his standings with the Camarilla as a business venture? Woukd he have to follow the Path of Blood? That is a very difficult concept to play with other PC's around. |
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| Alarik | Monday, 2. December 2013, 20:44 Post #11 |
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If Ur-Shulgi were to be back, Alarik would deny him outright. If not stake him and toss him into the oubliette and then 'forget' to inform the Primogen Council that he put him there. |
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| Takehashi Ryu | Monday, 2. December 2013, 21:59 Post #12 |
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So then he didn't wake up yet? (Lol - puss in boots eyes)
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| Marko | Tuesday, 3. December 2013, 09:03 Post #13 |
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This only just came to my attention. I also included Week of Nightmares in my background. I agree obviously no Gehenna. |
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| Katia Arshun | Tuesday, 1. April 2014, 04:44 Post #14 |
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Um no week of Nightmares, period? That is like basically burning all the revised books. So let me get this right, the Gangrel did not leave the Camarilla, the Ravnos antediluvian did not rise and eat most of the Ravnos, and ur Shulgi did not break the curse the Tremere made against the Assamites? I also assume al Ashrad did not gather other Assamites children of Haqim for those of you not versed in the correct term] to himself that didn't believe Haqim was God, to seek refuge in the camarilla from his harsh judgement of them. [Basically ur Shulgi began martyring them and claiming their blood for Haqim, citing the law of destruction as his right to do so. So what did happen exactly?
Edited by Katia Arshun, Tuesday, 1. April 2014, 04:45.
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| Sawyer | Tuesday, 1. April 2014, 04:56 Post #15 |
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For the most part, it functions on the same basis as V20- almost all of the events that preceded Gehenna are ignored/downplayed because Gehenna itself never happened. Week of Nightmares is something of an exception- most of us who play Ravnos, myself included, put it into our bios because the board had no official stance on the revised lore, thus making it canon to the board. Assamite-wise, the curse is still in effect. Gangrel-wise, they're still in the Cam. Malkavian-wise, dementation is once again the mainstream discipline of both Camarilla and antitribu. In essence, for the sake of convenience and for the sake of avoiding the apocalypse, we don't include most of the revised edition lore changes, with the exception of WoN and dementation. |
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| Katia Arshun | Thursday, 3. April 2014, 00:43 Post #16 |
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Just one other question. Are Assamites expected to follow the Path of Blood here? If they are, technically that means they will try and kill every non Assamite vampire they encounter and collect the blood as vengeance for wrong doing to them. This has nothing to do with contracts, it is the Assamites holy war against other vampires. If you have to play this, it would be a nightmare that would last longer than a single week. Just saying.
Edited by Katia Arshun, Thursday, 3. April 2014, 00:44.
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| Sawyer | Thursday, 3. April 2014, 01:14 Post #17 |
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Paths are really a matter of role playing flavor here, so if you wanted to follow a different path, that would be fine- and pretty much a requirement if you wanted to be accepted as part of the Cam as an Assamite because of the diablerie thing! |
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| Sophia Nguyen | Thursday, 3. April 2014, 08:23 Post #18 |
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I would have to pretty much say Sophia would follow the basics of the Path of Honorable Accord, only she is not Sabbat. That's really the closest to what she views as ethics. |
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