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Daenerys vs. Viserys
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Topic Started: Mar 26 2014, 02:14 PM (465 Views)
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Mar 30 2014, 07:12 PM
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Uh.... Dany by a LANDSLIDE 
Uh. No. Her writing's been shit since Season 2
Uh yes  Regardless of writing Dany's (which I also disagree with you on, but that's not the purpose of this thread) still a million times more likable than Viserys could ever dream of being. Visery's good writing or not is an absolutely loathsome character and I'd take any version of Dany over him.
I wasn't voting on whose the nicer person, I was voting on whose the better character and, excluding season 1, that's Viserys by leaps and bounds. Dany's been an Mary-Sue mode since Season 2 (Not to mention that her story that season has mind-numbingly awful writing) It's basically been- -Dany visits city -Dany encounters misogynistic douche -Dany conquers city through dragons and having strategic followers the power of feminism -Everyone graciously accepts and adores Dany despite her being a notably poor ruler in the books and having assassins after her like.. one week into ruling Except I'm not talking about which character is nicer either I'm talking about which one I like more, so everything your pointing out is irrelevant. I could debate you on Dany as a character for hours, but it'd be pointless. Regardless, Season 1 Dany is still MILES ahead of Virserys who is incredibly and utterly unlikable (even you agree with this) so I can't exactly vote him over a character I genuinely LIKE. You don't see ANYONE putting Joffery up in their top 10 despite being a well written character. The same applies to Viserys.
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Mar 30 2014, 07:15 PM
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Forget about the bloody gods and lsiten to what I'm telling you
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Uh.... Dany by a LANDSLIDE 
Uh. No. Her writing's been shit since Season 2
Uh yes  Regardless of writing Dany's (which I also disagree with you on, but that's not the purpose of this thread) still a million times more likable than Viserys could ever dream of being. Visery's good writing or not is an absolutely loathsome character and I'd take any version of Dany over him.
I wasn't voting on whose the nicer person, I was voting on whose the better character and, excluding season 1, that's Viserys by leaps and bounds. Dany's been an Mary-Sue mode since Season 2 (Not to mention that her story that season has mind-numbingly awful writing) It's basically been- -Dany visits city -Dany encounters misogynistic douche -Dany conquers city through dragons and having strategic followers the power of feminism -Everyone graciously accepts and adores Dany despite her being a notably poor ruler in the books and having assassins after her like.. one week into ruling
Except I'm not talking about which character is nicer either  I'm talking about which one I like more, so everything your pointing out is irrelevant. I could debate you on Dany as a character for hours, but it'd be pointless. Regardless, Season 1 Dany is still MILES ahead of Virserys who is incredibly and utterly unlikable (even you agree with this) so I can't exactly vote him over a character I genuinely LIKE. You don't see ANYONE putting Joffery up in their top 10 despite being a well written character. The same applies to Viserys. Except the poll was for who the better character is, not whose more likeable. I made it, so I imagine I know what the question was. So everything I said was completely relevant. Season 1 Dany is miles better, but she sucks in 2/3 and that balances it out. I actually have seen people put Joffrey in their top 10 because he's a great villain. So um. Yeah. There goes that argument too.
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Mar 30 2014, 07:26 PM
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Uh.... Dany by a LANDSLIDE 
Uh. No. Her writing's been shit since Season 2
Uh yes  Regardless of writing Dany's (which I also disagree with you on, but that's not the purpose of this thread) still a million times more likable than Viserys could ever dream of being. Visery's good writing or not is an absolutely loathsome character and I'd take any version of Dany over him.
I wasn't voting on whose the nicer person, I was voting on whose the better character and, excluding season 1, that's Viserys by leaps and bounds. Dany's been an Mary-Sue mode since Season 2 (Not to mention that her story that season has mind-numbingly awful writing) It's basically been- -Dany visits city -Dany encounters misogynistic douche -Dany conquers city through dragons and having strategic followers the power of feminism -Everyone graciously accepts and adores Dany despite her being a notably poor ruler in the books and having assassins after her like.. one week into ruling
Except I'm not talking about which character is nicer either  I'm talking about which one I like more, so everything your pointing out is irrelevant. I could debate you on Dany as a character for hours, but it'd be pointless. Regardless, Season 1 Dany is still MILES ahead of Virserys who is incredibly and utterly unlikable (even you agree with this) so I can't exactly vote him over a character I genuinely LIKE. You don't see ANYONE putting Joffery up in their top 10 despite being a well written character. The same applies to Viserys.
Except the poll was for who the better character is, not whose more likeable. I made it, so I imagine I know what the question was. So everything I said was completely relevant. Season 1 Dany is miles better, but she sucks in 2/3 and that balances it out. I actually have seen people put Joffrey in their top 10 because he's a great villain. So um. Yeah. There goes that argument too. Well if it helps I also think Dany is the better character overall regardless. I don't think she sucks in any of seasons as a character, despite being under drastically utilized in Season 2 (which you told me in the past was the same case for the books). So even with S2/3 I still prefer her by a landslide. Viserys was complete unlikable, idiotic, and not that big of a character at all in general.
And I wasn't using it as an argument, so I don't know why you're acting like I was. I was stating that the MAJORITY of people I've seen (on here, i.e) don't think of Joffery as one of their faves, regardless of writing.
But still, Dany in all regards. Both Likability, and as a character.
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Mar 30 2014, 07:32 PM
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Uh.... Dany by a LANDSLIDE 
Uh. No. Her writing's been shit since Season 2
Uh yes  Regardless of writing Dany's (which I also disagree with you on, but that's not the purpose of this thread) still a million times more likable than Viserys could ever dream of being. Visery's good writing or not is an absolutely loathsome character and I'd take any version of Dany over him.
I wasn't voting on whose the nicer person, I was voting on whose the better character and, excluding season 1, that's Viserys by leaps and bounds. Dany's been an Mary-Sue mode since Season 2 (Not to mention that her story that season has mind-numbingly awful writing) It's basically been- -Dany visits city -Dany encounters misogynistic douche -Dany conquers city through dragons and having strategic followers the power of feminism -Everyone graciously accepts and adores Dany despite her being a notably poor ruler in the books and having assassins after her like.. one week into ruling
Except I'm not talking about which character is nicer either  I'm talking about which one I like more, so everything your pointing out is irrelevant. I could debate you on Dany as a character for hours, but it'd be pointless. Regardless, Season 1 Dany is still MILES ahead of Virserys who is incredibly and utterly unlikable (even you agree with this) so I can't exactly vote him over a character I genuinely LIKE. You don't see ANYONE putting Joffery up in their top 10 despite being a well written character. The same applies to Viserys.
Except the poll was for who the better character is, not whose more likeable. I made it, so I imagine I know what the question was. So everything I said was completely relevant. Season 1 Dany is miles better, but she sucks in 2/3 and that balances it out. I actually have seen people put Joffrey in their top 10 because he's a great villain. So um. Yeah. There goes that argument too.
Well if it helps I also think Dany is the better character overall regardless.  I don't think she sucks in any of seasons as a character, despite being under drastically utilized in Season 2 (which you told me in the past was the same case for the books). So even with S2/3 I still prefer her by a landslide. Viserys was complete unlikable, idiotic, and not that big of a character at all in general. And I wasn't using it as an argument, so I don't know why you're acting like I was. I was stating that the MAJORITY of people I've seen (on here, i.e) don't think of Joffery as one of their faves, regardless of writing. But still, Dany in all regards. Both Likability, and as a character. She was not under-utilized in Season 2. If anything, she was over-utilized when she had nothing important to do. I said she had nothing to do in the books, completely different than under-utilized. Viserys was supposed to be a completely insane hateable idiot and Harr Lloyd has DEFINITELY run circles around Dany in Seasons 2/3. The fact you hate him so much is testament to how well written he was.
As for Dany being poorly written, I'll just go back to my Mary Sue argument placed above that you haven't actually said anything about (instead trying to debate the question of the poll I made... k...) "You don't see ANYONE putting Joffery up in their top 10 despite being a well written character. The same applies to Viserys." ---- Looks like an argument for why Viserys shouldn't be getting votes to me. Especially since you used the basis of "No one in the world ranks him high." But yeah, neither is a fav. I'll just take both over characters as poorly written as Show-Dany and Show-Stannis
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Mar 30 2014, 07:49 PM
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She was not under-utilized in Season 2. If anything, she was over-utilized when she had nothing important to do. I said she had nothing to do in the books, completely different than under-utilized. Viserys was supposed to be a completely insane hateable idiot and Harr Lloyd has DEFINITELY run circles around Dany in Seasons 2/3. The fact you hate him so much is testament to how well written he was.
As for Dany being poorly written, I'll just go back to my Mary Sue argument placed above that you haven't actually said anything about (instead trying to debate the question of the poll I made... k...) "You don't see ANYONE putting Joffery up in their top 10 despite being a well written character. The same applies to Viserys." ---- Looks like an argument for why Viserys shouldn't be getting votes to me. Especially since you used the basis of "No one in the world ranks him high." But yeah, neither is a fav. I'll just take both over characters as poorly written as Show-Dany and Show-Stannis Having nothing important to do is why I call her character under utilized. I wasn't talking about her screentime or how much she was in the show at all, (if anything it'd be better if her character wasn't in the show nearly as much as she was in Season 2). And like I said, his character may be well written but I think Dany's well written as well AND is far more likable than him. So that's where she gets the edge over Visery's.
As for the Mary Sue comment, I believe I've debated that exact argument with you numerous times before and never got anywhere with it. Were just gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.
Mess @ you bolding, italicizing, underlining and coloring "ANYONE" red.
But no. I wasn't saying why Viserys shouldn't be getting votes, I was explaining why I didn't vote for him. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, and me explaining why I didn't vote for Viserys isn't saying why you shouldn't have. I'm not saying your wrong or right or questioning your own opinion, just by disagreeing.
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Mar 30 2014, 07:56 PM
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The definition of underutilize is to use something too little. The issue in Season 2 wasn't that she was in it too little, but that she was in it too much with an utterly worthless plotline. They couldn't give her anything major to do because of the books, which makes sense, but overutilizing her and doing away with her one important plotline is entirely the wrong solution. Dany isn't well written past Season 3 due to her flatlined character development and her Mary Sue-ness (both of which are REALLY obvious on a rewatch)
We didn't. The argument was that her characterization hadn't flatlined at the end of Season 1. Even though it very clearly has I'm pretty sure you even said I was right.
Thus why you used the word ANYONE and not "I"
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Mar 30 2014, 08:02 PM
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She was not under-utilized in Season 2. If anything, she was over-utilized when she had nothing important to do. I said she had nothing to do in the books, completely different than under-utilized. Viserys was supposed to be a completely insane hateable idiot and Harr Lloyd has DEFINITELY run circles around Dany in Seasons 2/3. The fact you hate him so much is testament to how well written he was.
As for Dany being poorly written, I'll just go back to my Mary Sue argument placed above that you haven't actually said anything about (instead trying to debate the question of the poll I made... k...) "You don't see ANYONE putting Joffery up in their top 10 despite being a well written character. The same applies to Viserys." ---- Looks like an argument for why Viserys shouldn't be getting votes to me. Especially since you used the basis of "No one in the world ranks him high." But yeah, neither is a fav. I'll just take both over characters as poorly written as Show-Dany and Show-Stannis
Having nothing important to do is why I call her character under utilized.  I wasn't talking about her screentime or how much she was in the show at all, (if anything it'd be better if her character wasn't in the show nearly as much as she was in Season 2). And like I said, his character may be well written but I think Dany's well written as well AND is far more likable than him. So that's where she gets the edge over Visery's. As for the Mary Sue comment, I believe I've debated that exact argument with you numerous times before and never got anywhere with it.  Were just gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. Mess @ you bolding, italicizing, underlining and coloring "ANYONE" red. LOL. For what its worth, I put Joffrey in my top 10.
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Mar 30 2014, 11:28 PM
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Deany. That's obvious. Viserys is funny more than a real villain, he's just too much weak to see,
Spoiler: click to toggle Kal Drogo is not interested in the big throne and only wants to get a targaryen as his wife. Deany will convince him as she made him love her though. And don't forget how she took the market town.
She wasn't really a mary sue this time.
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Apr 1 2014, 07:54 AM
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All Dany has done for two seasons in a row is have a blank expression while the show reminds us how awesome she is again and again. Ugh. Also, if you people can't see the writers pushing Dany as a fanfav after they write a brand new scene of slaves lifting her in the air and shouting "MOTHER!" as the conclusion to the 3rd season, I really don't know what show you're watching.
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Dec 12 2014, 08:51 AM
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I feel like I was alone on Dany for two seasons, and now everyone is jumping ship just as they're de-Mary Sue-ifying her. It seems obvious she just fucked up big time firing Lord Friendzone.
I'll say this about Viserys: Spoiler: click to toggle The golden crown scene is just as satisfying on rewatch as the first time.
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