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As for offscreen, if there's one thing I've learned from TV, never trust a death until you see the dead body with your own eyes
And if it's Joss Whedon, don't trust it even then.
He doesn't do any resurrecting in Dollhouse or Firefly He does in Agents of Shield. Because the world demanded more Carson or whatever his name is.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
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Jun 18 2015, 11:20 AM
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
Spoiler: click to toggle ...Tyrion's training to be a Maestar? But yeah. Apparently Shireen and Stannis are on different parts of the world in the books as well, yet her sacrifice came from GRRM's future ideas. The showrunners know where the story is going and aren't wasting any time to get there. And I'm sure they can fit in some technicality for Dany's victory.
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
Spoiler: click to toggle ...Tyrion's training to be a Maestar? But yeah. Apparently Shireen and Stannis are on different parts of the world in the books as well, yet her sacrifice came from GRRM's future ideas. The showrunners know where the story is going and aren't wasting any time to get there. And I'm sure they can fit in some technicality for Dany's victory.
Spoiler: click to toggle Sam, not Tyrion  Sam is training to be a Maestar They are, but it's possible he sent the raven or she was sacrificed by Mel after the battle loses and they just shortcut it or something. I would like to thank them for not wasting time to get there, though (thus why Quentyn was cut too)
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Jun 18 2015, 11:45 AM
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
Spoiler: click to toggle ...Tyrion's training to be a Maestar? But yeah. Apparently Shireen and Stannis are on different parts of the world in the books as well, yet her sacrifice came from GRRM's future ideas. The showrunners know where the story is going and aren't wasting any time to get there. And I'm sure they can fit in some technicality for Dany's victory.
Spoiler: click to toggle Sam, not Tyrion  Sam is training to be a Maestar They are, but it's possible he sent the raven or she was sacrificed by Mel after the battle loses and they just shortcut it or something. I would like to thank them for not wasting time to get there, though (thus why Quentyn was cut too)
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, has he heard about Jon's "death"? I'm sur ethat would bring him back.
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
Spoiler: click to toggle ...Tyrion's training to be a Maestar? But yeah. Apparently Shireen and Stannis are on different parts of the world in the books as well, yet her sacrifice came from GRRM's future ideas. The showrunners know where the story is going and aren't wasting any time to get there. And I'm sure they can fit in some technicality for Dany's victory.
Spoiler: click to toggle Sam, not Tyrion  Sam is training to be a Maestar They are, but it's possible he sent the raven or she was sacrificed by Mel after the battle loses and they just shortcut it or something. I would like to thank them for not wasting time to get there, though (thus why Quentyn was cut too)
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, has he heard about Jon's "death"? I'm sur ethat would bring him back.
Spoiler: click to toggle Considering he's on a boat in the middle of the ocean in Book 4 and not even in Book 5 and Jon dies at the end of Book 5... no. And I think that would be more reason than ever to stay away. Jon is the only person there who likes him, and he's dead. What would they do to his bestie>
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Jun 18 2015, 12:25 PM
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
Spoiler: click to toggle ...Tyrion's training to be a Maestar? But yeah. Apparently Shireen and Stannis are on different parts of the world in the books as well, yet her sacrifice came from GRRM's future ideas. The showrunners know where the story is going and aren't wasting any time to get there. And I'm sure they can fit in some technicality for Dany's victory.
Spoiler: click to toggle Sam, not Tyrion  Sam is training to be a Maestar They are, but it's possible he sent the raven or she was sacrificed by Mel after the battle loses and they just shortcut it or something. I would like to thank them for not wasting time to get there, though (thus why Quentyn was cut too)
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, has he heard about Jon's "death"? I'm sur ethat would bring him back.
Spoiler: click to toggle Considering he's on a boat in the middle of the ocean in Book 4 and not even in Book 5 and Jon dies at the end of Book 5... no. And I think that would be more reason than ever to stay away. Jon is the only person there who likes him, and he's dead. What would they do to his bestie>
Spoiler: click to toggle I'm saying Sam will come back for vengeance.
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
Spoiler: click to toggle ...Tyrion's training to be a Maestar? But yeah. Apparently Shireen and Stannis are on different parts of the world in the books as well, yet her sacrifice came from GRRM's future ideas. The showrunners know where the story is going and aren't wasting any time to get there. And I'm sure they can fit in some technicality for Dany's victory.
Spoiler: click to toggle Sam, not Tyrion  Sam is training to be a Maestar They are, but it's possible he sent the raven or she was sacrificed by Mel after the battle loses and they just shortcut it or something. I would like to thank them for not wasting time to get there, though (thus why Quentyn was cut too)
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, has he heard about Jon's "death"? I'm sur ethat would bring him back.
Spoiler: click to toggle Considering he's on a boat in the middle of the ocean in Book 4 and not even in Book 5 and Jon dies at the end of Book 5... no. And I think that would be more reason than ever to stay away. Jon is the only person there who likes him, and he's dead. What would they do to his bestie>
Spoiler: click to toggle I'm saying Sam will come back for vengeance.
Spoiler: click to toggle There is a 0% chance of him actually succeeding at killing the whole Night's Watch  If he comes back for vengeance, he dies. It's 1 vs. a bunch
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
Spoiler: click to toggle ...Tyrion's training to be a Maestar? But yeah. Apparently Shireen and Stannis are on different parts of the world in the books as well, yet her sacrifice came from GRRM's future ideas. The showrunners know where the story is going and aren't wasting any time to get there. And I'm sure they can fit in some technicality for Dany's victory.
Spoiler: click to toggle Sam, not Tyrion  Sam is training to be a Maestar They are, but it's possible he sent the raven or she was sacrificed by Mel after the battle loses and they just shortcut it or something. I would like to thank them for not wasting time to get there, though (thus why Quentyn was cut too)
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, has he heard about Jon's "death"? I'm sur ethat would bring him back.
Spoiler: click to toggle Considering he's on a boat in the middle of the ocean in Book 4 and not even in Book 5 and Jon dies at the end of Book 5... no. And I think that would be more reason than ever to stay away. Jon is the only person there who likes him, and he's dead. What would they do to his bestie>
Spoiler: click to toggle I'm saying Sam will come back for vengeance.
Spoiler: click to toggle There is a 0% chance of him actually succeeding at killing the whole Night's Watch  If he comes back for vengeance, he dies. It's 1 vs. a bunch
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, generally in these situations they go after the leader of the murder squad, in this case Thorne.
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Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I heard Jon's death was more ambiguous in the books. I gotta admit, I kinda feel sorry for him. That guy never got ANY credit. Plus he'll never know who his mom is.
That's what I was talking about. Tyrion's got the brains and battle experience with Blackwater, Dany's got the dragons. Those fucking things have to serve a point eventually, and after that major ass kicking the Wildlings took, I get the feeling no human army can stop the White Walkers. As for the prophesy, how reliable are those in this world? Considering it's GRRM, the fantasy cliche of a "chosen one" turning out to be false seems like exactly the kind of deconstruction he'd do... or the prophesy could mean Sam (I'm genuinely scared GRRM thinks he's being original with the fat underdog rising up from Jon's shadow as the real hero).
I can see Sansa ending up on the throne, especially since Littlefinger is probably concocting it, but it's hard to ignore the similarities between Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III. Richard III was a cripple suspected of killing his nephews and hated by the people despite being a decent ruler, Henry VII was from an exiled family and traveled around accumulating armies to win back the throne. GRRM is aping the War of the Roses, and that's how it ended.
Spoiler: click to toggle Yeah, I definitely feel sympathy for him. That'd SUCK. And a part of me does wonder if his mom is just some random woman, since that'd be the least obvious answer The non-action guy who's on a boat to the polar opposite part of the world (in books) who is studying literally anything but fighting and training to become a Meastar and only killed a white walker through sheer luck? I really don't think so. As for prophecies, they're always true in the books. Just not necessarily the way people expect, and you need to keep your eye open for technicalities. Even Myrcella is crowned in the books, which the show fucked up, as Arianne Martell briefly declares her queen of Westeros. Most people wouldn't count it, but it is a crowning and she probably dies early next book. And yeah, the Dragons are going to play a huge role against the white walkers seeing as the books are A Song of Ice and Fire. If Sam is Azor Azhai though... ... oh God, I will be so inhumanly pissed if that idiot tyrant Dany is ruling. Her ABYSMAL job in Meereen has made me never, ever want to see her near a throne again. It is a viable theory though. Though it is worth noting they haven't met in the books yet
Spoiler: click to toggle ...Tyrion's training to be a Maestar? But yeah. Apparently Shireen and Stannis are on different parts of the world in the books as well, yet her sacrifice came from GRRM's future ideas. The showrunners know where the story is going and aren't wasting any time to get there. And I'm sure they can fit in some technicality for Dany's victory.
Spoiler: click to toggle Sam, not Tyrion  Sam is training to be a Maestar They are, but it's possible he sent the raven or she was sacrificed by Mel after the battle loses and they just shortcut it or something. I would like to thank them for not wasting time to get there, though (thus why Quentyn was cut too)
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, has he heard about Jon's "death"? I'm sur ethat would bring him back.
Spoiler: click to toggle Considering he's on a boat in the middle of the ocean in Book 4 and not even in Book 5 and Jon dies at the end of Book 5... no. And I think that would be more reason than ever to stay away. Jon is the only person there who likes him, and he's dead. What would they do to his bestie>
Spoiler: click to toggle I'm saying Sam will come back for vengeance.
Spoiler: click to toggle There is a 0% chance of him actually succeeding at killing the whole Night's Watch  If he comes back for vengeance, he dies. It's 1 vs. a bunch
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, generally in these situations they go after the leader of the murder squad, in this case Thorne.
Spoiler: click to toggle Okay, Thorne dies. So does the rest of the murder squad just back down? Why would they? Kill the one seeking retribution and be done with it
EDIT: Actually, that would be kind of a GRRM thing to do. Sam goes out to take the leader down, succeeds.... and the others just kill him anyways because, you know, reality ensues
Edited by Repo, Jun 18 2015, 12:38 PM.
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