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Season 5
Topic Started: Jan 30 2015, 12:20 PM (589 Views)
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There you go. Back to Dany, thoughts on this IMDb post?: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/reply/245063983
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Jun 19 2015, 09:01 AM
There you go. Back to Dany, thoughts on this IMDb post?: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/reply/245063983
It's been awhile since I read the books, though I do remember some Valyrian words being gender neutral but interpreted as male (which is why Cersei can be killed by ANY younger sibling) That said, if the book flat out called her Azor Azhai before she's revealed.... she's not Azor Azhai. At least if Azor Azhai is a hero/savior in the traditional sense. If she goes ballistic and loses it or something and the "savior" turns into a menace... well, honestly, I've predicted all along that she'd lose her shit when she gets to Westeros and the smallfolk don't give a fuck about her. I could totally see that happening.

God though, I am so dreading the season where the Whitewalkers/Dany take the frontseat and the King's Landing politics takes the backseat. The latter is so much more interesting. Based on books (The Winds of Winter, A Dream of Spring), I get the imopression most the White Walker stuff blows up next season and then A Dream of Spring is essentially an epilogue (much like Game of Thrones was the prologue)

Also, forgot to mention, but Arya dies next Season or Season 7 at latest. Bookmark me.
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I'm sure there'll be plenty of King's Landing stuff next season considering what happened to Myrcella.

My main reason for linking that was about the gender neutrality of Azor. But yeah, every sign seems to point to her. And a case could be made for Jon Snow, but the "chosen one" is always his type. What makes you think Jaime?
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Jun 19 2015, 12:16 PM
What makes you think Jaime?
Well, I have sent you PMs explaining why I think he's a Targaryen, so I don't THINK I need to restate those. And if he is half Targaryen, why include that at all unless you're going to do anything with it? Making him Azor Azhai is the most obvious way to go with that. There's also the fact he'd suit the book/show's deconstruction style faaaaaaaaaaar better than Jon Snow (who, as you said, would be Azor in literally anything fantasy oriented), and Dany is the second most popular candidate (though if she goes psycho, she would fit into deconstruction, but not as well I think) He's already a deconstruction of the knight in shining armor, the one who slays the dragon and saves the princess/realm, it makes sense from a thematic viewpoint for him to take up that mantle. It'd create a good bookend to his character (hated by the realm throughout his life for slaying the Mad King and saving thousands of innocent live, something which has left him bitter, angry, cynical, and a little jaded to say the least. Ending with him being revered in death for saving the realm would be at least kind of fitting, or he could continue to live having saved it and receive no recognition, but I feel the former is more likely. And the former would involve him becoming a hero of songs, which is the exact character he's a deconstruction of in the first place) He's NOT the expected choice, and GRRM has a thing for kind of violating what's expected (Killing the main character off in Book 1, killing the "heroes"/Robb/the entire Stark army off at a Red Wedding and DECIMATING them beyond repair, killing Jon Snow at the wall) so it's actually a more believable pick than the expected choice. There's also the fact that he is BASICALLY guaranteed to die by the end of the series and it makes sense to give him a heroic exit since his whole arc is about becoming a better person in the first place (in contrast to the MOST POPULAR theory of "Murders Cersei and commits suicide" which would just be.... some of this is probably in hopes of that rumor being fake since... just... fuck no) Most of it is honestly based on themes, character arcs, what fits GRRM's writing style, and what would work well from a storytelling perspective, but it's worth remembering that prophecies are written to suit the plot (which is based on the previously mentioned themes), rather than the other way around.

It's also worth noting Lightbringer, Azor's sword, has a prophecy surrounding it too.
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Darkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword. He labored for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew beforehand what he must do to finish the blade, he worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her breast, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer.
There's countless possible interpretations for exactly how this will go down, but I genuinely cannot think of a single one which could suit Dany or Jon. In particular, the Nissi Nissi part seems like a guaranteed fail for both, whereas, in books, it's almost a guarantee at this point that Jaime will kill Brienne or Brienne will kill Jaime. And she would definitely fit as Nissi Nissi reincarnated (it's even mentioned in the books that he's attracted to her, first time he's felt anything for a woman who wasnt' CerseI) Or, of course, there's Cersei herself as Nissi Nissi. I'm not sure of who the lion would be, but these things are tricky. One could argue the lion is even Tywin (who's death he's indirectly responsible for), and the "break" is pulling away from his family or something.

The main thing of note is it does look like he's about to kill his Nissi Nissi based on how Brienne/Cersei are progressing (Or, perhaps, neither. Arya wearing Jaime's face is my #1 pick for Cersei's killer, and perhaps that would satisfy the prophecy too)
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I have to ask...why in the fuck do book Jaime and book Brienne want to kill each other?

As for the lion... wasn't that Shae's nickname for Tyrion? If I'm right about Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III, and that the former kills the latter...
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I have to ask...why in the fuck do book Jaime and book Brienne want to kill each other?

As for the lion... wasn't that Shae's nickname for Tyrion? If I'm right about Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III, and that the former kills the latter...
Want might not necessarily have been the right word, but
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Lion is the Lannister sigil. Any of them could qualify. Those two haven't met yet, though. But no way could Dany murder THE fanfav and come out as queen and savior of Westeros. Also, who is her Nissi Nissi?
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I have to ask...why in the fuck do book Jaime and book Brienne want to kill each other?

As for the lion... wasn't that Shae's nickname for Tyrion? If I'm right about Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III, and that the former kills the latter...
Want might not necessarily have been the right word, but
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Lion is the Lannister sigil. Any of them could qualify. Those two haven't met yet, though. But no way could Dany murder THE fanfav and come out as queen and savior of Westeros. Also, who is her Nissi Nissi?
What a shitty direction to take Jaime/Brienne....

Yeah, but he's the only one I really remember specifically referred to as lion (then later Tywin, but even that was a fuck you to Tyrion). And, if by chance the prophesy got the order of events wrong, Dany already had a Nissi Nissi....Drogo.
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Jun 20 2015, 07:44 PM
I have to ask...why in the fuck do book Jaime and book Brienne want to kill each other?

As for the lion... wasn't that Shae's nickname for Tyrion? If I'm right about Dany/Henry VII and Tyrion/Richard III, and that the former kills the latter...
Want might not necessarily have been the right word, but
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Lion is the Lannister sigil. Any of them could qualify. Those two haven't met yet, though. But no way could Dany murder THE fanfav and come out as queen and savior of Westeros. Also, who is her Nissi Nissi?
What a shitty direction to take Jaime/Brienne....

Yeah, but he's the only one I really remember specifically referred to as lion (then later Tywin, but even that was a fuck you to Tyrion). And, if by chance the prophesy got the order of events wrong, Dany already had a Nissi Nissi....Drogo.
I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out. I actually thought it worked in the books.

Order is never wrong. And the fact he's explicitly called Lion is kind of a point against him. GRRM's prophecies aren't ever that blatant
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Lawl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsAD7NkTHsk
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