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| Least Fav. Pixar Film? | |
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| CaineDidIt | Jul 19 2015, 01:04 AM Post #11 |
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It wasn't even about global warming it was how wasteful we are and our consumer culture which ruined the Earth. Buy N Large? And besides that the romance between Eve and Wall E is the film. Best love story Pixar has ever created. Edited by CaineDidIt, Jul 19 2015, 01:08 AM.
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| Repo | Jul 19 2015, 09:48 AM Post #12 |
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Yeah, that's basically what global warming is. And it's unbearably preachy about it. Got zero feels from the romance. That movie was awful |
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| CaineDidIt | Jul 19 2015, 10:40 AM Post #13 |
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No, that's not what global warming is basically about. But even if it was "preachy" it was still gorgeously animated, had a great and meaningful message about how much we consume and waste, had a tremendous first act without any meaningful dialogue, had a really sweet and loveable protagonist as well as all the other characters, great writing that created classic pixar moments, and it's easily the most daring Pixar film. |
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| Repo | Jul 19 2015, 10:43 AM Post #14 |
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It kinda is. Both are related to consumer culture and how we fail to take care of the world which basically kills the planet. Either way, preachy should not be in quotes when the entire plot of the movie revolves around the message. Animation was solid, but that's kinda par for the course with Pixar. Disagreed on everything else. That movie did literally nothing for me, mainly since it was too caught up in being preachy rather than actually being a good movie in its own right |
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| CaineDidIt | Jul 19 2015, 11:00 AM Post #15 |
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But the whole film is a love story first and foremost. Eve and Wall-E have the single greatest story throughout Pixar's history and that is the centerpiece of the film. The film may be very "preachy" when they get on the axiom but what's wrong with a having a message about helping the Earth? It's not like it's not a serious issue or wasn't done smartly, because it's critique of consumerism was done brilliantly. It didn't sacrifice everything for the message either because the first 20 minutes alone are greater than many of Pixar's other films and it is still great throughout the rest of it. |
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| Repo | Jul 19 2015, 11:21 AM Post #16 |
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You must have missed the five times I've said "The love story did nothing for me." It really wasn't fresh or original. Two cute robots meet, fall in love, then the girl leaves and the guy goes to rescue her, nearly dies doing so, she saves him. Where's the originality? What makes this such a masterpiece? Nothing is wrong with the IDEA of it. The execution, on the other hand, was abysmal. It was NOT done smartly, and it most certainly was not done brilliantly. The world turning into a junkyard because we didn't take care of it, forcing us to abandon it? Us relying on machines for EVERYTHING, to the point of not even walking (and thus everyone being morbidly obese)? It's obvious, it's basic, and it's obnoxiously in your face. At the end of the day, I want to see a movie for some kind of entertainment. A well done message CAN be an enhancer (For example, Inside Out, which had an original message that WAS done well), but a movie that spends ALL of its runtime preaching to me is not entertaining in the least. It's also insulting when the creators respond to the backlash to the message by saying it's not there and we're just imagining it. The world's population is not COMPLETELY stupid. The entire movie was built around the message with the movie part coming second, so it sacrificed quality for it. Don't remember the first twenty minutes beyond Wall-E being on wasteland earth, so I'd love to hear what's so great about them. |
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| CaineDidIt | Jul 19 2015, 12:45 PM Post #17 |
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The romance- You are completely understatingg it because Eve doesn't fall in love with Wall-E on Earth or before she goes onto sleep mode. Their relationship is far more developed than they fall in love and save each other. It's beautiful because of how their love grows and the humanity between two machines is developed through Wall-E showing Eve about himself and her love grows in the axiom after spending time and getting to know his character. Is it original? No, but it's still one of the greatest romance as seen in film in modern years. The Message- How is it basic? It touches on the very REAL issues we face today including our over reliance on technology, our wasteful habits over products, our disconnection with the world, and our problems with polluting the Earth. What other ANIMATED films are brave enough to deal with such topics and in a honest, funny, heartwarming, and caring way? What other sci-fi films show us obese on hover chairs drinking everything? How is that image a cliche or basic in any way? It's a very entertaining film to say the least because of the smart humor, adorable and likeable characters you care about, gorgeous animated sequences, really compelling drama that actually exists, and the emotion you feel throughout everything. Bottom line is message is great and it wasn't preachy in the slightest, just true. The first 20 minutes- Today's audiences wouldn't want a film with no dialogue or lack of characters, but Wall-E manages to excel in it. It is something of silent film and you can connect with Wall-E greatly just after watching his daily routine and life. It's without a doubt the bravest 20 minutes Pixar has ever done because of how boring some may find it without multiple characters and constant action or dialogue. But it's beautiful, hilarious, and incredibly powerful and haunting as we see how we left the world. Wall-E is great sci-fi film, animated film, and romance film. It is certainly is better than Monsters University, Brave, A Bugs Life, Cars 1/2, Ratoutille, Monsters Inc. and is constantly up their with the best of Pixar and animation in general. |
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| Repo | Jul 19 2015, 01:38 PM Post #18 |
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I remember literally none of that. And I think being original is kind of important when being labeled as one of the greatest romances ever. As for the humanizing of machines, I think Mass Effect and Terminator did that before AND did it better (even if not through a romance) The way it's DONE was basic. And obese people on hover chairs is basically just an exaggerated version of the images you get of people who use those vehicle things to travel through stores and such. Being true doesn't make it less preachy or anvilicious. As for why I find it preachy, I'll explain this one last time. The movie's entire plot is built on this message. Every single aspect from beginning to end is about it. Almost every moment in the movie is telling you how bad not taking care of the environment/consumerism is. It literally does not, at any point, take a break to not beat this message into your skull. There is absolutely no subtlety. In fact, it great exaggerates in the opposite direction (of course every human being is obese and wasteful) It's also a message I've had drilled into my skull since I was eight or nine, so, actually, I'll say the message itself is stale and basic too. I get it. Protect the environment. Don't be lazy. I'm for it, and I was for it the eight thousand other times I have heard it in school, seen it in movies, seen it in politics, seen it in science, and basically just seen it in my everyday life in general. It's not a complicated message, nor is it an even remotely original one. And whether or not yu think the romance is moving (I don't), the movie is funny (I don't), and the animation is good (par for the course with Pixar), those have absolutely no bearing on the actual message being beaten into your skull. There's also the fact that the director die hard insists the anvilicious protect the environment message was not intentional, which almost makes it worse since either: A) He's lying B) He accidentally beat our heads in with a message and NO ONE in the entire filmmaking process realized it, which is kind of incompetent Both reflect badly. No dialogue isn't my issue. It's the part where I don't remember any of it. You keep telling me how beautiful and funny it is, but I literally don't remember any of that. You can like it all you want, I still won't remember it. And it's not like I have a bad memory with movies, so that actually reflects badly on Wall-E vs. reflecting badly on me. I saw Poltergeist around the same age and STILL remember it. No matter how many different words you use to tell me "The opening is brilliant," I'm not going to remember it. Oh, and I voted Wall-E. I'm not going to waste my time on the Cars movies so... yeah Edited by Repo, Jul 19 2015, 01:44 PM.
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| CaineDidIt | Jul 19 2015, 02:40 PM Post #19 |
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Awful decision. There's no way other way of saying it, but an absolutely awful choice especially considering you haven't actually seen the worst. |
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| Repo | Jul 19 2015, 03:49 PM Post #20 |
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Look, I get you like it and that's fine, but there is a way to disagree with someone's opinion without being rude and telling them the opinion is wrong. |
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