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The Canyons (2013)
Topic Started: Oct 6 2013, 10:59 AM (505 Views)
TheCheetahwings
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AmandaYoung
Jan 27 2014, 08:15 PM
It sounds like SBers if you took away the hit-you-with-an-anvil message
To be fair, at least SB had one likable character. This had ALL either annoying characters or lifeless-shells with zero-personality.

Lindsay can do so much better :rip:
She must've seen the writer and thought it'd be quality.
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Poor Lindsay for being in this.
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CarrieWhite
Jan 27 2014, 08:28 PM
Poor Lindsay for being in this.
She probably thought it was her big break with the writer being the writer of American Psycho. I mean :giveup:
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Jan 27 2014, 08:26 PM
Lindsay can do so much better
Not from what I saw in Liz and Dick. And based on how she behaves on set, I don't feel the least bit sorry for her.
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Jan 27 2014, 09:24 PM
TheCheetahwings
Jan 27 2014, 08:26 PM
Lindsay can do so much better
Not from what I saw in Liz and Dick. And based on how she behaves on set, I don't feel the least bit sorry for her.
She is a drug addict, alcoholic. With abusive fame-seeking parents who will sell out to the media for money & attention (not to mention her father is abusive), along side media scrutiny, with paparazzi on her 24/7. This was before her recent rehab stay- after which she's had no problems. She's showed signs of anorexia, and self harm, among other things. :poke: She was clearly not in a good place while filming this- so any "behavior" is likely due to the massive amount of problems she was dealing with. Especially since

It's like Britney's 2007 VMAs performance (which she essentially spent all night partying prior to the performance instead of rehearsing). Is it unprofessional? Yes. Does it lose sympathy for people clearly mentally unstable? No.

Not to mention the response about Lindsay's "behavior" on set has been rather.... inconsistent, anyway. o it doesn't help that she's been praised multiple times for her on set behavior on other projects.
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Leslie Coutterand was on call throughout the entire filming to replace Lindsay Lohan at a moment's notice due to Lohan's repeated absences, tardiness, and feuds with director Paul Schrader and co-star James Deen. Coutterrand was essentially paid to be Lohan's understudy in case Lohan was fired or left the set and never returned.

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At the table read, Lohan had a script, where in large writing it had Nolan Gerard Funk's name crossed out with the word "NO!" next to it and other casting suggestions. But by the end of the table read she had changed her mind and at the next rehearsal was thrilled to be working with him.

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As described in an in-depth, behind-the-scenes New York Times article about the film's production, Paul Schrader directed a sex scene naked in an effort to placate Lindsay Lohan.


No. Drug addiction does not BEGIN to excuse that kind of behavior. I sympathize with her issues and definitely understand she was going through a hard time... but no. Cory Monteith (RIP) had drug issues too and still managed to behave in a kind and professional manner. And I say this as someone who LOVES LiLo's music and thinks she is a talented actress

Also, Kenny, what Lindsay did would be more along the lines of Britney SKIPPING her performance at the 2007 VMAs, showing up late, and then fleeing halfway through the song.
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AmandaYoung
Jan 27 2014, 10:49 PM
No. Drug addiction does not BEGIN to excuse that kind of behavior. I sympathize with her issues and definitely understand she was going through a hard time... but no. Cory Monteith (RIP) had drug issues too and still managed to behave in a kind and professional manner. And I say this as someone who LOVES LiLo's music and thinks she is a talented actress

Also, Kenny, what Lindsay did would be more along the lines of Britney SKIPPING her performance at the 2007 VMAs, showing up late, and then fleeing halfway through the song.
Even IF all of her behavior was dreadful (though half of that doesn't nearly seem as unforgivable as you make it out to be... the only thing that sticks out to me is tardiness) , comparing her addiction to Cory's to make a point is beyond stupid and unfair. Not everyone's the same, so even if Cory may have been professional on set of Glee it doesn't mean he represents how someone with a drug addiction should be.

Amy Winehouse was so bad she was so drunk/drugged on stage she literally couldn't and wouldn't sing, and ended up DYING soon after her tour was canceled. Drug addiction messes you up and just because Cory was able to hold it together enough to film Glee doesn't mean everyone can.

And Britney did essentially what Lindsay did though in a way "worse", if you really want to call it that. She was supposed to be rehearsing and preparing for the performance but she went out and partied instead (she partied late into the night the day before.) and was clearly on some sort of drugs DURING the performance. Not to mention there were reports of her not taking it seriously and just wanting to "wing" it. (and she DID show up late, btw.) There's a reason Britney hasn't been asked back to open the VMAs. :giveup:

I sympathize with Britney & Lindsay both, :shrug: They were both in horrible places for different reasons and judging their behavior back then is stupid
Oh, and just to clear things up, since I feel like I've been misunderstood; I wasn't trying to "justify" her actions, just like I don't try justify Britney's past actions. All I'm saying is that she wasn't just being a spoiled diva or something & it was due to her clear personal problems. I'm not trying to "excuse" anything, It was unprofessional, and I acknowledge that, but it doesn't mean she doesn't deserve sympathy or make me think less of her because of the circumstances.
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Yeah, the repeated absences and repeated feuding with everyone aren't big deals. Neither is forcing the director to get NAKED because, suddenly, you're afraid to do a nude scene you knew about. And telling the people their casting choice is wrong? THAT'S PROFESSIONAL!

Except nothing suggests that it was incapable as much as it WAS diva-behavior. I don't see how a drug addiction makes LiLo require the director to strip naked so SHE can shoot a nude scene. I also don't see how it's the drugs fault if she's.... late/absent because she's out PARTYING. I don't know the specifics about Amy Winehouse, but I kinda doubt she was clubbing during the missed tours. If she is, I'd call that unprofessional too (Didn't you see me go after Selena Gomez cancelling her tour?) If you really AREN'T well, I'd imagine they'd be resting. Not partying all night long.

Britney decided not to practice. Result: She looks stupid. If she wants to wing it, which she did, that's her choice. Lindsay wasn't not practicing, she was missing the actual SHOOT. Thus my comparison to Britney arriving late then leaving halfway through the performance. Also, I'd say not practicing isn't as bad as just not showing up PERIOD.

I sympathize with Lindsay's addiction. I don't sympathize with her on-set behavior.
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AmandaYoung
Jan 27 2014, 11:53 PM
Yeah, the missed absences and repeated feuding with everyone aren't big deals. Neither is forcing the director to get NAKED because, suddenly, you're afraid to do a nude scene you knew about. And telling the people their casting choice is wrong? THAT'S PROFESSIONAL!

Except nothing suggests that it was incapable as much as it WAS diva-behavior. I don't see how a drug addiction makes LiLo require the director to strip naked so SHE can shoot a nude scene. I also don't see how it's the drugs fault if she's.... late/absent because she's out PARTYING. I don't know the specifics about Amy Winehouse, but I kinda doubt she was clubbing during the missed tours. If she is, I'd call that unprofessional too (Didn't you see me go after Selena Gomez cancelling her tour?) If you really AREN'T well, I'd imagine they'd be resting. Not partying all night long.

Britney decided not to practice. Result: She looks stupid. If she wants to wing it, which she did, that's her choice. Lindsay wasn't not practicing, she was missing the actual SHOOT. Thus my comparison to Britney arriving late then leaving halfway through the performance. Also, I'd say not practicing isn't as bad as just not showing up PERIOD.

I sympathize with Lindsay's addiction. I don't sympathize with her on-set behavior.
I said "Even IF her behavior was dreadful" which acknowledges everything/. "Forcing The Director to get naked" is a huge HUGE stretch, as well because I've heard of countless Directors who did this to support the actor/actress that were nervous about a nude scene, and they didn't act like it it was the actress being "a total diva". She's allowed to be nervous, it's only human. I don't see that as a horrible thing she did, if anything it's a misunderstanding. :shrug:

And she wasn't late/absent because she was clubbing :rip: :rip: :rip: It's not like she was pictured out clubbing when she was supposed to be on set. As for Amy Winehouse... no, but she was literally so drunk on stage she couldn't perform- which is WAY worse than being late/absent. It's as if Lindsay Showed up drugged and drunk and tried to act. And it resulted int he tour being canceled.

Except Britney was HIRED by MTV to perform just like Lindsay was HIRED to act. O_O Your acting like this was just Britney appearing and embarrassing herself so it's not a big deal or as "unprofessional". MTV hired her to perform and she didn't take it seriously, partied all night and showed up late to rehersals, etc. It's JUST as unprofessional as what Lindsay did.

The only thing that's different is that Britney was performing live, and Lindsay wasn't. So the analogy doesn't work. If Britney was filming a Music Video? Fine, that'd be different. But this was a LIVE performance so the rehearsals were key to giving a suitable performance. Which we both know she didn't.
Oh and Most importantly. I'M NOT SYMPATHIZING/JUSTIFYING HER BEHAVIOR :rip: It was completely unprofessional. So we agree.
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Jan 27 2014, 10:33 PM
Not to mention the response about Lindsay's "behavior" on set has been rather.... inconsistent, anyway. o it doesn't help that she's been praised multiple times for her on set behavior on other projects.
Inconsistent like Carrie White's appearance? Her set behavior is infamous. Even Oprah has spoke out about working with her. That's why a Razzie Bait art film with porn stars is one of the few jobs she can still get (besides Scary Movie 5). I don't mean to be mean, but I've worked with difficult actors and it's torture.

If you read about the making of this movie, her behavior was less about the struggles of addiction and more just being a diva, ie ditching the set to hang out with Lady GaGa and getting jealous of the main guy's screentime. She got fired before filming even began for missing things and ignoring texts. She cried and begged the director to rehire her, which he did, but once filming began, she could screw with him freely knowing they couldn't afford to reshoot with a different actress, telling the director “Sorry, Paul, I guess you’ll have to fire me again.”

Tardiness and delaying shooting are big deals since they cost money, especially when the budget is so low (not to mention you only have so much day or night time), and it sounds like there wasn't a single day she wasn't late. She actually jumped a fence into a getaway car with her assistants just to get off set. And like Repo said, trying to get other actors replaced isn't addiction related. And no, it isn't horrible to be nervous about a nude scene, but it is horrible to lock oneself in a closet for hours refusing to come out when doing nudity was literally the first thing agreed to.
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