| Absolute Power Limit; Is there a Hard Limit? | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 2 2015, 08:55:02 PM (227 Views) | |
| Dagon | Jun 2 2015, 08:55:02 PM Post #1 |
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I once debated with a guy that believed Goku and Gohan reached their absolute limit at the Cell Games. He said the only way they could get stronger is by increasing their SSJ power and unlocking new SSJ transformations. "But wait, SSJ2 Goku was stated to be stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan! That can't be if he's still weaker than Kid Gohan in Base and SSJ1!" you may say. The counter to that is Goku made his SSJ2 give a bigger power boost through training in the afterlife. Do you agree or disagree, and why? |
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| Kyo | Jun 2 2015, 09:14:26 PM Post #2 |
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Whether I agree or disagree, I'm not sure. I do find the idea plausible, however. When Goku exited the Room of Spirit and Time, he said, "But pointlessly toughening up my body more than this is just torture, not training. But I won’t object if you guys enter that room again. It looks like you still have room left to toughen up more." Some have argued that he just means that the RoSaT training itself is now relatively ineffective due to his vast improvements, but to me the wording indicates that he's only speaking about how much he (and Trunks/Vegeta) can improve in general. Plus, calling further training "torture" certainly sounds like he can still exert himself, he just won't see any benefits if he does so. For what it's worth, here's what the Daizenshuu has to say:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120308230017/http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=04&id=grow_up#link "...draws out the power...to its limits..." sounds like he can't improve anymore. The Daizenshuu term for the Mastered SSJ, "Full Power Super Saiyan," also seems to hint at this – it's the literal full power that Goku can ever achieve in that form. Some things do seem to go against it though. For example, Vegeta saying that if all the Saiyans are restricted to base, then there's no difference (before the tournament in the Boo arc). Perhaps one can assume that base increases as SSJ2 increases, whereas SSJ stays the same. Very strange scenario but nothing explicitly goes against it. Goku's SSJ increasing in the Boo arc also wouldn't be the first time someone surpassed a supposed limit (if I recall, the holy water on Karin's tower was supposed to unlock all of Goku's hidden power, though perhaps there's a difference between hidden power and the potential for strength increases, I dunno). Edited by Kyo, Jun 2 2015, 09:15:04 PM.
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| Son Goku | Jun 2 2015, 09:29:02 PM Post #3 |
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YO! I'm from Earth!
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That's weird. But if you want an answer, I've gotten stronger. Hope that helps.
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| Whipedkillsmiled | Jun 3 2015, 01:25:01 AM Post #4 |
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Vegeta said him self Goku fights not to win but to try his best and absolutely not loose ( in some cases he would) And this causes him to surpass his limits and reach to further and newer levels of strength. Limits in dbz are meant to be broken. When Goku arrived fight Frieza Vegeta had said "He's completely broken his previous "Imitations" I think by limits Goku meant the best he could do for now and the remaining days wouldn't make difference if all he did was train he needed rest aswell. Also if they reached their limits after ROSAT then Chou Gohan wouldn't have been much stronger than cg gohan Edited by Whipedkillsmiled, Jun 3 2015, 01:30:45 AM.
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| Papasmurf | Jun 3 2015, 01:28:19 AM Post #5 |
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Suck my dick.
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Limits don't mean too much in DBZ. Vegeta stated he reached his late in the Freeza arc and again before he even became a Super Saiyan. It's more or less wanking fodder to make the statement of their new power seem more extravagant.
Edited by Papasmurf, Jun 3 2015, 01:28:37 AM.
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| Demon Saiyan | Jun 3 2015, 05:04:32 AM Post #6 |
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Potential is forever growing IMO. |
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