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Piccolo > Base Gotenks and Majin Boo, now?
Topic Started: Aug 24 2015, 05:34:20 PM (538 Views)
Animelover5487


Videl said after Beerus defeated 18, Tenshinhan and Piccolo. That even Piccolo couldn't defeat Beerus despite Boo and Gotenks losing to Beerus as well. So I guess Piccolo most of done some secret training to surpass them or something during the 5 year time skip. SSJ Goku apparently rivals Freeza so I guess this isn't much of a problem either. Super is about as problematic as Ressurection of F with the power levels.
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Videl can sense Ki?
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Animelover5487
Aug 24 2015, 05:34:20 PM
Videl said after Beerus defeated 18, Tenshinhan and Piccolo. That even Piccolo couldn't defeat Beerus despite Boo and Gotenks losing to Beerus as well. So I guess Piccolo most of done some secret training to surpass them or something during the 5 year time skip. SSJ Goku apparently rivals Freeza so I guess this isn't much of a problem either. Super is about as problematic as Ressurection of F with the power levels.
Well, at least they beefed up someone who deserves it. With all the nerfing going on I'm glad Piccolo got a boost. I mean, if they are gonna go messing with all the battle powers anyway, we might as well get something good out of it.
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You're taking translations and wording too seriously... This changes nothing...
I'm still much stronger than Frieza back then, even in my regular state.
Buu and Gotenks are both still stronger than Piccolo.
We don't need a topic about this anymore.
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So he can not detect Ki Videl. Also remember that Piccolo was shocked to see that Bills treatment as a child Gotenks Base, in spite of seeing the severe beating he gave Mr Boo. Later Piccolo, Tenshinhan # 18 and faced Bills, obviously knowing that they would be irretrievably lost. At the end Piccolo is even more surprised to see that Mystic Gohan was defeated very easily.
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Mike
Aug 24 2015, 05:44:21 PM
Videl can sense Ki?


Sensing ki isn't the only way to determine how strong a character is. You can see how strong someone is by their movements as well, they did it all the time in the original Dragonball.

Son Goku
Aug 24 2015, 06:34:03 PM
You're taking translations and wording too seriously... This changes nothing...
I'm still much stronger than Frieza back then, even in my regular state.
Buu and Gotenks are both still stronger than Piccolo.
We don't need a topic about this anymore.


Freeza > Base Goku goes against feats displayed throughout the manga mainly the Boo arc and up but if Toriyama was really the one who wrote those translations for Battle of Gods and Super than I guess Freeza really is on par with SSJ Goku even if it contradicts the manga.

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Aug 24 2015, 07:26:53 PM
So he can not detect Ki Videl. Also remember that Piccolo was shocked to see that Bills treatment as a child Gotenks Base, in spite of seeing the severe beating he gave Mr Boo. Later Piccolo, Tenshinhan # 18 and faced Bills, obviously knowing that they would be irretrievably lost. At the end Piccolo is even more surprised to see that Mystic Gohan was defeated very easily.


Base Gotenks > Mr. Boo is very much possible. Goten and Trunks were really young during the Boo arc and should have got stronger just by aging even if they didn't do any serious training, especially since Goku implied that Teen Goten/Trunks could have surpassed Boo if they continued training.

However Piccolo > Any form of Gotenks or Boo isn't likely. Videl also doesn't have to sense ki to know how strong someone is as I explained to Mike.
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Animelover5487
Aug 24 2015, 08:22:55 PM
Sensing ki isn't the only way to determine how strong a character is. You can see how strong someone is by their movements as well, they did it all the time in the original Dragonball.
Just because other characters can do it, doesn't mean every character can. Especially considering the gap between Videl and the Zet Senshi is exponentially bigger than the gap between Kami and Goku at the 23rd TB, where the former couldn't even keep track of the latter's movements (and thus not allowing him to fully assess Goku's power and only being able to tell Goku is way stronger than himself).
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Aug 24 2015, 08:29:56 PM
Animelover5487
Aug 24 2015, 08:22:55 PM
Sensing ki isn't the only way to determine how strong a character is. You can see how strong someone is by their movements as well, they did it all the time in the original Dragonball.
Just because other characters can do it, doesn't mean every character can. Especially considering the gap between Videl and the Zet Senshi is exponentially bigger than the gap between Kami and Goku at the 23rd TB, where the former couldn't even keep track of the latter's movements (and thus not allowing him to fully assess Goku's power and only being able to tell Goku is way stronger than himself).


I doubt Toriyama or whoever wrote this episode was really thinking about the power gap when they had Videl state that, especially since movement tracking has never been a consistent feat anyway. It's mostly dependent on plot.
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Aug 24 2015, 08:22:55 PM


Base Gotenks > Mr. Boo is very much possible. Goten and Trunks were really young during the Boo arc and should have got stronger just by aging even if they didn't do any serious training, especially since Goku implied that Teen Goten/Trunks could have surpassed Boo if they continued training.
While Goten and Trunks had stayed in power compared to their counterparts Post Rosat, Gotenks Base would still >> Mr. Boo () >>> Piccolo (BOG). Because Base Gotenks (Post) >> Gotenks SSJ (Pre)> Goku SSJ3 (Boo).

  Another thing that sets me in Chapter 7, is that the difference between Bills (Ultra deleted) and Gotenks Base (BoG), was so abysmal that Gotenks not even bother to face as a SSJ3.
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Aug 24 2015, 08:45:40 PM
Animelover5487
Aug 24 2015, 08:22:55 PM


Base Gotenks > Mr. Boo is very much possible. Goten and Trunks were really young during the Boo arc and should have got stronger just by aging even if they didn't do any serious training, especially since Goku implied that Teen Goten/Trunks could have surpassed Boo if they continued training.
Another thing that sets me in Chapter 7, is that the difference between Bills (Ultra deleted) and Gotenks Base (BoG), was so abysmal that Gotenks not even bother to face as a SSJ3.


Gotenks did that out of arrogance not power besides gods can't be sensed and while like I said movements can be used to get an idea on how strong a fighter is, I doubt Beerus was using much of any effort against Boo for anyone to determine how strong he is.
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I chalk this up to the same stupidity that led Gotenks-Boo to compliment Tenshithands while regarding base Gotenks as trash in his last form.
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Videl has no credibility in power statements. One could assume that she says stuff like that out of respect to the lifelong mentor of her strong golden warrior nerfed wanker of a husband.
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Yeah, Videl could very well have her own idea of what's going down in that fight. Since we know she can't read ki, it could well just be her interpretation of the scene.

But again, I would mind a Piccolo boost.
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Animelover5487
Aug 24 2015, 08:39:59 PM
I doubt Toriyama or whoever wrote this episode was really thinking about the power gap when they had Videl state that, especially since movement tracking has never been a consistent feat anyway. It's mostly dependent on plot.
I doubt much thought was put behind the line at all, and even if it was, it's contradictory of Piccolo's reaction to Beers defeating Gotenks.
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Actually, it's possible. Beerus dodged Piccolo's attacks, but he felt comfortable enough to stand completely still and tank everything Gotenks threw at him, including a charged up special punch.
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He also dodged Tenshinhan and #18's punches.

Piccolo > Tenshinhan > Android #18 > Base Gotenks

Confirmed.
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Mike
Aug 26 2015, 09:41:12 PM
He also dodged Tenshinhan and #18's punches.

Piccolo > Tenshinhan > Android #18 > Base Gotenks

Confirmed.
Why Tenshinhan > #18?
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Because he dodged Boo's extinction blast while #17 didn't, duh. Also more proof he's stronger than Krillin.
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For the record, Videl can sense Ki, as shown by her commenting on Gotenks' Ki when he first appeared. However, I wouldn't put much stock in her words. The way I see it, Videl knows that Piccolo is the one who trained Gohan, yet has never seen him fight. Therefore, she could be assuming that Piccolo is exceptionally powerful, far moreso than he actually is.
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Aug 27 2015, 06:38:55 AM
For the record, Videl can sense Ki, as shown by her commenting on Gotenks' Ki when he first appeared. However, I wouldn't put much stock in her words. The way I see it, Videl knows that Piccolo is the one who trained Gohan, yet has never seen him fight. Therefore, she could be assuming that Piccolo is exceptionally powerful, far moreso than he actually is.
You think how powerful Piccolo was at that time?
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