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What is your vote?
Aye 4 (80%)
Nay 1 (20%)
Abstain 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 5
Praf Act; an amazing acronym
Topic Started: Sep 6 2013, 02:16 AM (209 Views)
This Gallant Old Republic
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“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.”
Here it is after Executive review and plenty of forgetting:

Permissible Raiding Actions Formative Act

Intent:
To clarify and establish what actions are permissible in 'private raids' independent of the FFS government and region by its members.

Hereby:
Strictly prohibits the raid's association with the Federation in any way beyond its possible origin as the docking or casting off point of said actions. This includes mention, promotion, and false statements concerning the position of the Federation in the private raid. Failure to adhere to this will result in trial in court.

Amends:
The Regional Law Code Act to include the moderate offense of 'Private Raiding in the Name of the FFS' and 'Unback Warlike Action Inadequately Free of the Mention of the FFS'.
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Blahbania

I second and I change my vote Nay
Edited by Blahbania, Sep 10 2013, 08:23 PM.
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TheSovaEmpire
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Sure. Aye.
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Pxoria

We already have protections and guidelines in our constitution. And I think we should vote this down because this came as a result of the demands of TFFS. This was born out of negotiations with an Enemy of the State, this is unacceptable, as we are negotiating AND conceding to the demands of a pitiful enemy who whines like a schoolgirl who got dumped. TFFS has no real power, as I have concluded at the end of my investigation. Meaning there is no reason why we should even consider this idiots demands. WE are the TRUE FFS! WE ARE the better region. Vote this down in order to show WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WHEN WE ARE JUST!

NAY.
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TheSovaEmpire
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TFFS aside, is there anything wrong with the legislation? I mean, there is nothing I disagree with in this. If someone were to go do an unauthorized raid on a region and claimed it in the name of the FFS, I'd expect there to be punishment, which this act does. You blaming this on TFFS is you being paranoid and quite silly because it never mentions TFFS anywhere in that.
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Pxoria

This is something we should do. I agree with the goal of it. But not now. Not when this would symbolize a victory for TFFS, as this was born out of the demands of TFFS.
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This Gallant Old Republic
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“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.”
Aye.

To vote against this simply because you think TFFS is an enemy of the state and that this is a concession to him is ridiculous.
If you want straight up what our 'negotiations' were then here: he agreed to give up any aggressive actions but then claimed his sole purpose now was to prevent further raids from the FFS anywhere, this I declared illegal but I offered to add simple offenses to the law code concerning the Constitutional bounds thereof (which I thought he wouldn't accept since it actually means very little formally) to this he agreed tentatively and has managed to keep his end of the 'deal' (no aggressive action) despite my procrastination thereof and he has behaved civilly. As Pxoria has noted this law is fully in bounds and therefore there is no reason not shove it down (as Sova stated), though when you first looked at it you said it was completely unacceptable which it quite clearly is. Regardless of 'TFFS' this act remains a worthy addition to the law (as noted by some citizens to myself independent of the act itself) while simultaneously not being a concession in the least because nothing is being conceded and any 'victory' for him is meaningless in this regard.

As for Pxoria's argument that this legitimizes him and if we just ignore him he can't actually do anything, this last part I agree to and indeed specifically stated when a certain someone was overreacting and wanting to put a password on. However need I say if this act passes we can ignore him just as well? Indeed I see no harm in its passage but rather an opportunity that shows that WE were willing to be reasonable and do some sort of talks like real diplomats rather than let it fester.
Edited by This Gallant Old Republic, Sep 11 2013, 01:43 AM.
A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.

What embitters the world is not criticism, but an absence of self-criticism.

The simplification of anything is always sensational.

The Declaration of Independence dogmatically bases all rights on the fact that God created all men equal; and it is right; for if they were not created equal, they were certainly evolved unequal. There is no basis for democracy except in a dogma about the divine origin of man.
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Lesbia

Aye.
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