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Do you want success in Iraq?; finally, and Iraq topic...
Topic Started: Dec 20 2005, 12:47 PM (2,641 Views)
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Richie
Dec 23 2005, 11:40 PM
Civil wars are fought between a country. This "war" is an invasion, we just barged in and took over the place. If we had not gone over there to begin with, the 2000 lives would be not lost.

ANY amount of lives lost in a cause this rash is horrible.

but civil wars are between people, not two countries, so i guess its not a war, and my uncles who died in the romanian revolution died for nothing oh no

The invasion is done. A week is what it took to take down the half assed militia Saddam called his army. We are now defending the nation, not invading.

Okay, so 2,000 lives are lost by our troops. But, I sak you this: How many Iraqi's will have to die before you don't see this as a 'rash' cause anymore? How many innocents will have to die before you are content with the 2,000 lives who died willingly in combat? At least by staying there, we can stop those who harm the innocent. If you think the killing is bad now, just wait until we pull out like John Kerry wants.
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How many of the Iraqi's want us there, then? From what I've been hearing, not many.
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Hmm, what was that one phrase...

"Everyone knows what they want, but few know what they need."
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Richie
Dec 23 2005, 11:59 PM
How many of the Iraqi's want us there, then? From what I've been hearing, not many.

I'd say more than half the population. You heard wrong.
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As for a better future, what if Zarqawi manages to obtain a nuclear warhead, or Osama for that matter. We pull all our troops out, and then wham, our country goes to hell in a handbasket. That's some future we have there.
Oops! Iraq was never vital to capture Osama. As a matter of fact, to get troops for Iraq we took men at apparently had Osama cornered. I call that an "intelligence failure" on our Commander-in-Chief.
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Dec 23 2005, 04:11 PM
Eiji Kikumaru
Dec 23 2005, 07:34 AM
You beat me to it, Sentenal.

Kids these days don't know what a real war is.

A bunch of pussies, IMO.

2000 lives is nothing compared to other wars, people.  It's a teeny little sacrafice to make the world a better place.

2000 is a lot for a fucking liberation INVASION.

There's one thing I don't get. Generally wars are between countries, not terrorist groups.

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You don't have any idea what your talking about. Lets look at a past invasion, as in a single military operation.

Operation Overlord, D-Day. The invasion of Normandy, to retake Europe from Nazi Germany.

The US suffered an estimated 6,603 causalities. British causalities are estimated at 2700. Canadian at 946.

This was just in one operation. A few days.

And over the course of a nearly 2-3 year war in Iraq, we havn't even come near to the number of men we lost on D-Day. Thats over serveral operations, and occuption.

So no, your wrong, 2000 isn't alot of an "invasion", although we didn't even break 1000 casualities during the actual invasion. Most deaths happend after we took over.

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Dec 23 2005, 09:11 PM
Eiji Kikumaru
Dec 23 2005, 07:34 AM
You beat me to it, Sentenal.

Kids these days don't know what a real war is.

A bunch of pussies, IMO.

2000 lives is nothing compared to other wars, people.  It's a teeny little sacrafice to make the world a better place.

2000 is a lot for a fucking liberation INVASION.

There's one thing I don't get. Generally wars are between countries, not terrorist groups.

This is an exception. This is the first time we've taken on a terrorist group this persistent, and this well organised.

And more Iraqis want us there than you think, Richie. I think I would know.
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And more Iraqis want us there than you think, Richie. I think I would know.
Mhm. I understand that. The thing is though with our media, it seems like the whole Iraqi people are all terrorists, hence many stereotypes about how all middle eastern people are terrorists. (I've seen it a lot, even if you haven't.)
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It looks like a certain few people have fallen for the excessively liberal media's bullshit. :rolleyes:

I've been following this war since the first shot was fired. I remember watching from Bush's declaration of war until now, where I am still following it closely. I was but a wee freshman staying up way past his bedtime to watch the news. :(

I've supported Bush and the soldiers the entire time. I think what we did was completely right. Saddam Hussein was a douchebag, and he was a major threat to our allies. He refused to allow us to search for weapons. What the fuck do you expect us to do, believe him? I'm sorry, hippies, but he took over our ally Kuwait back in Bush Sr.'s time, so we know he's an asshole already. Bush definately made the right choice. You don't kill weeds by clipping them. You don't defeat terrorists by catching them in America. You kill both by going straight for the roots.
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Dec 23 2005, 07:55 PM
It looks like a certain few people have fallen for the excessively liberal media's bullshit. :rolleyes:

I've been following this war since the first shot was fired. I remember watching from Bush's declaration of war until now, where I am still following it closely. I was but a wee freshman staying up way past his bedtime to watch the news. :(

I've supported Bush and the soldiers the entire time. I think what we did was completely right. Saddam Hussein was a douchebag, and he was a major threat to our allies. He refused to allow us to search for weapons. What the fuck do you expect us to do, believe him? I'm sorry, hippies, but he took over our ally Kuwait back in Bush Sr.'s time, so we know he's an asshole already. Bush definately made the right choice. You don't kill weeds by clipping them. You don't defeat terrorists by catching them in America. You kill both by going straight for the roots.

Because the excessively conservative news outlets are even MORE trustworthy. ;P

To be honest, it all comes down to whether you are willing to play the hero role or play it safe. I think I would have rather taken the invasion part more slowly, or at least stop keeping the public in the dark.

@Sentenal: D-Day is an exception of all exceptions. Very few battles in the future will be able to match the amount of fatalities in the short amount of time the mission was.
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Dec 23 2005, 09:40 PM
Kuchiki Rukia
Dec 23 2005, 07:55 PM
It looks like a certain few people have fallen for the excessively liberal media's bullshit.  :rolleyes:

I've been following this war since the first shot was fired.  I remember watching from Bush's declaration of war until now, where I am still following it closely.  I was but a wee freshman staying up way past his bedtime to watch the news.  :(

I've supported Bush and the soldiers the entire time.  I think what we did was completely right.  Saddam Hussein was a douchebag, and he was a major threat to our allies.  He refused to allow us to search for weapons.  What the fuck do you expect us to do, believe him?  I'm sorry, hippies, but he took over our ally Kuwait back in Bush Sr.'s time, so we know he's an asshole already.  Bush definately made the right choice.  You don't kill weeds by clipping them.  You don't defeat terrorists by catching them in America.  You kill both by going straight for the roots.

Because the excessively conservative news outlets are even MORE trustworthy. ;P

To be honest, it all comes down to whether you are willing to play the hero role or play it safe. I think I would have rather taken the invasion part more slowly, or at least stop keeping the public in the dark.

@Sentenal: D-Day is an exception of all exceptions. Very few battles in the future will be able to match the amount of fatalities in the short amount of time the mission was.

Yeah, I can see how letting the public know every little thing that goes on in top secret military meetings should be public. I mean, troop placement, specific strategy, etc etc should all have been public knowlegde before the war. Thats smart.

@Richie: Take any major battle from any major US war. Compare the lives lost in that single battle. Then compare it lives lost through this entire war.
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In terms of casualties, this war is a tiny little insignificant insect compared to just minor battles of major wars like WWI and WWII. :o 2000 lives of people that were willing to die for the cause is a good exchange for what this will do to the future.
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We've gotten the point across that Saddam was crazy, we went in and took over, yada yada. But exactly how long are we going to remain there to protect the Iraqi?
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Richie
Dec 23 2005, 11:52 PM
We've gotten the point across that Saddam was crazy, we went in and took over, yada yada. But exactly how long are we going to remain there to protect the Iraqi?

Till they can do it.
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Dec 23 2005, 11:00 PM
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Dec 23 2005, 11:52 PM
We've gotten the point across that Saddam was crazy, we went in and took over, yada yada. But exactly how long are we going to remain there to protect the Iraqi?

Till they can do it.

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we're gonna get dem terrerists til dey ain't gone cuz dey hav womenz

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