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Topic Started: Jan 3 2006, 06:39 PM (2,258 Views)
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Those 5 I listed were in the UNITED STATES, not elsewhere. Most of the other terrorist attacks on that page kill under 10 Americans. And tapping phones in the United States will not help to stop attacks outside the United States.

There you go agaign, trivializing terrorist attacks.

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They are. They should never have been a country. Palestine kindly let Jews in after World War II. And how did they repay Palestine? By taking away most of their land.

Okay, first I'll address what Psio said about Earthquakes.

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What can we do against earthquakes?

Build homes that can take the shaking and install safety features, i've seen them, and with funding it can be done, but plenty of people wouldn't want to move into a new home or pay for that safety.

That doesn't prevent earthquakes, sorry.

Now, back to your anti-Israel part. After WW2, the British controlled the terroritory out there. The Jews who suffered under Hitler needed a homeland. What better than their ansestrial homeland, Israel? The British created the nation of Israel, and gave it to the Jews, and they created the Nation of Palestine, and gave it to the Palestinians. It didn't take long for the Arabs to get pissed because those damn jews were next door. Nearly every middle eastern country invaded Israel, and tryed to destroy it. The Israelis fought back. They took over Palestine, and occuptied parts of serveral of their agressors. Learn your damn history.

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And the point Richie is trying to make is this: Media spreads the terror and fear. Sure, terrorists are the ones who do awful things. But would anyone be scared if the media didn't spread it liek woah? Nope.

The only reason someone would argue that Terrorism is only created by the media is if one wants to demean the said attacks. Saying that the attacks I listened arn't terrorist attacks trivializes them.
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There you go agaign, trivializing terrorist attacks.


Earth to Sentenal: The chances that tapping phones in America will stop terrorist attacks outside of America is a negative %.

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Okay, first I'll address what Psio said about Earthquakes.


Yeah, you did a GREAT job with that. </sarcasm>

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That doesn't prevent earthquakes, sorry.


Yeah ok. Wonderful argument.

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Now, back to your anti-Israel part. After WW2, the British controlled the terroritory out there. The Jews who suffered under Hitler needed a homeland. What better than their ansestrial homeland, Israel? The British created the nation of Israel, and gave it to the Jews, and they created the Nation of Palestine, and gave it to the Palestinians. It didn't take long for the Arabs to get pissed because those damn jews were next door. Nearly every middle eastern country invaded Israel, and tryed to destroy it. The Israelis fought back. They took over Palestine, and occuptied parts of serveral of their agressors. Learn your damn history.


Why are you such a n00b? I have no idea. But you do not know your history yourself, you hypocrite.

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Before the end of [size=6]World War I[/size], Palestine was a part of the Ottoman Empire. [size=6]The British, under General Allenby, defeated the Turkish forces in 1917 and occupied Palestine and Syria.[/size] The land was administered by the British for the remainder of the war. The British military administration ended starvation with the aid of food supplies from Egypt, successfully fought typhus and cholera epidemics and significantly improved the water supply to Jerusalem. They reduced corruption by paying the Arab and Jewish judges higher salaries. Communications were improved by new railway and telegraph lines.

The United Kingdom was granted control of Palestine by the Versailles Peace Conference which established the League of Nations in 1919 and appointed Herbert Samuel, a former Postmaster General in the British cabinet, who was instrumental in drafting the Balfour Declaration, as its first High Commissioner in Palestine.


It looks like YOU need to learn your damn history. The British had it after WWI, not WWII. The "nation" of Palestine had existed under Muslim control for liek a looong time.

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The Arabs conquered the land from the Eastern Roman Empire in 638 CE. The area was ruled by various Arab states (interrupted by the rule of the Crusaders) before becoming part of the Ottoman Empire in 1517.


As stated earlier, the Ottoman Empire lost it after they got pwned in WWI. Thus, the Jews had it for liek...well that depends on what you believe. But no one would argue that it was liek...teh Egypt who had it. The first documentation of Israel is

The Merneptah Stele (also known as the Israel Stele and the Victory Stele of Merneptah) is the reverse of a stele originally erected by the Ancient Egyptian king Thutmose III
but later inscribed by Merneptah. [/quote


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It is also widely known as the "Israel stele", as it is the only Egyptian document generally accepted as mentioning "Israel", thus becoming the first known documentation of Israel.


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The only reason someone would argue that Terrorism is only created by the media is if one wants to demean the said attacks. Saying that the attacks I listened arn't terrorist attacks trivializes them.


*cough*n00b*cough*

Terrorism isn't ONLY created by the media. The terrorists make the attacks. However, it's the media who spreads the fear. Would anyone be afraid if they didn't hear it? No. Who makes them hear it? The media. If you can't get it through your head that it's the media's fault for spreading the terror that's created to around the country, than you are a n00b.
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It looks like YOU need to learn your damn history. The British had it after WWI, not WWII. The "nation" of Palestine had existed under Muslim control for liek a looong time.

Was the land controlled by the Brits after WW2? Yes? Okay then, you made yourself look like an ass. Because the Brits didn't give up control there until after WW2, which was my point.

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As stated earlier, the Ottoman Empire lost it after they got pwned in WWI. Thus, the Jews had it for liek...well that depends on what you believe. But no one would argue that it was liek...teh Egypt who had it.

Fact: Before the Romans took over, Jews controlled Israel.

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Earth to Sentenal: The chances that tapping phones in America will stop terrorist attacks outside of America is a negative %.


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Yeah ok. Wonderful argument.

Don't be a moron. I asked what we can do to prevent earthquakes, and he said to build safer houses, basically. That doesn't prevent earthquakes.

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Terrorism isn't ONLY created by the media. The terrorists make the attacks. However, it's the media who spreads the fear. Would anyone be afraid if they didn't hear it? No. Who makes them hear it? The media. If you can't get it through your head that it's the media's fault for spreading the terror that's created to around the country, than you are a n00b.

Here is what your are saying: The only thing that differs from a Terrorist attack, from a "regular" attack, is how the media makes it out. And that trivializes it, because conventitional attacks between countrys and terrorist attacks are two very different things.
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of course it doesn't stop earthquakes, it stops the damage they do, and stops the loss of lives and property, which was the whole point about the earthquakes, that they were causing DEATHS
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Jan 8 2006, 03:11 PM
A terrorist attack doesn't have to have a high kill count to matter; all it has to really do is unsettle the public.

9/11 is the big one, because it still gets the stories. Simple as that. Stories about the Cole (who were in my ship's battle group) don't push copies of the New York Daily News, or the Post, etc. They're just a bunch of faggot sailors in Virginia, right? They don't count!

Exactly.

If the media said how terrible it was that the Cole was sunk and had 24/7 coverage of it, along with papers making it a coverstory and continued to tell it for weeks, it would be more widely known as a terrorist attack. Since 9/11 was NOT ONLY from Logan airport (45 min from my home in decent traffic), BUT it had live Media coverage and it even got every paper and newstation in America printing out special editions and giving it ten times the support. I heard so much about the terrorist attacks in the papers and Media it was crazy.
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9/11 is the big one, because it still gets the stories. Simple as that. Stories about the Cole (who were in my ship's battle group) don't push copies of the New York Daily News, or the Post, etc. They're just a bunch of faggot sailors in Virginia, right? They don't count!

I read about that story constantly. The main why it's not as well known is because the public (rightly or wrongly) cares more about civilian deaths than soldier deaths.

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It looks like YOU need to learn your damn history. The British had it after WWI, not WWII. The "nation" of Palestine had existed under Muslim control for liek a looong time.


You're just trying to hide the fact that his arguement is correct overall by pointing out an irrelevent factual error. Your "history lesson" is factually correct but does nothing to his arguement.
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Jan 8 2006, 10:38 AM
Here is what your are saying: The only thing that differs from a Terrorist attack, from a "regular" attack, is how the media makes it out. And that trivializes it, because conventitional attacks between countrys and terrorist attacks are two very different things.

Oh god.

A terrorist attack is made by a group of people who do something that effects a minor amount of people but spreads fear across the rest of the populus through various forms of communication.

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A terrorist attack is made by a group of people who do something that effects a minor amount of people but spreads fear across the rest of the populus through various forms of communication.

I'm giving up on you. Your arguement has lost any core it once had. Just to remind you, your argueing that those terrorist attacks I posted arn't terrorist attacks.

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Jan 8 2006, 12:25 PM
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A terrorist attack is made by a group of people who do something that effects a minor amount of people but spreads fear across the rest of the populus through various forms of communication.

I'm giving up on you. Your arguement has lost any core it once had. Just to remind you, your argueing that those terrorist attacks I posted arn't terrorist attacks.


...The attacks you posted were small and fairly unpublicized, as I would have heard of them had they truly envoked terror.

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Woah, this got outta hand fast.

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Fact: Before the Romans took over, Jews controlled Israel.

Fact: Before the Europeans took over, Natives owned America. ;) I don't see the UN giving them their own country, rather than shoving them in Indian ghettosreservations with almost no monetary support.

OK, the whole terrorism being relient on the media thing undermines the whole point. Terrorism has been happening long before an organized media. The Italian Mafia, the Knights of Templar, the Ku Klux Klan, even the Sons of Liberty(Boston Tea Party anyone?) were all terrorists. Their terror spread via word-of-mouth. No newsteam or newspapers. Well, maybe for the Sons of Liberty.

How the HELL did we get on EARTHQUAKES? That's rhetorical people, I don't want an answer.

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LOL. SadDAMN Hussein. Heh heh heh. Anyways, because we entered Iraq, liek 5-10x the amount of civilians that died in the United States in 9/11 died there.


2000 plus people died in the attacks. We just hit the 2000 mark of soldiers dead, and that's with Afghanistan. Permit me to say you should have at least checked on that before you posted it.

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They are. They should never have been a country. Palestine kindly let Jews in after World War II. And how did they repay Palestine? By taking away most of their land.

The Brits/League of Nations gave them their own country. We can see how happy the Palestines were by how little conflict there is today.

Okay, let's suppose OmniHax is right about earthquakes, Israel, WWI, the media, Pearl Harbor, Palestine, textbook definitions, the Cole, and whatever else.
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Please keep Christian bashing to a minimum. This is mainly the American South (and mainly Evangelical death cults), which is similar to Afghanistan under the Taliban.

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Clones are create and people can't bore a clone. Scientifically they are called born and not created. The only way to pre-determine their genes is if they are already out in the world usually in a pod that would resemble the sac in a mothers womb. Take Star Wars for example.

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Was the land controlled by the Brits after WW2? Yes? Okay then, you made yourself look like an ass. Because the Brits didn't give up control there until after WW2, which was my point.


Hey n00b, teh way your post was written, it implied that the Brits only had it after WW2.

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Fact: Before the Romans took over, Jews controlled Israel.
Fact: That's liek how many years ago? Yah, that's what I thought.

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Don't be a moron. I asked what we can do to prevent earthquakes, and he said to build safer houses, basically. That doesn't prevent earthquakes.


Read Psio's response. Of course, you decided to just ignore the Earth to Sentenal: The chances that tapping phones in America will stop terrorist attacks outside of America is a negative %.

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Here is what your are saying: The only thing that differs from a Terrorist attack, from a "regular" attack, is how the media makes it out. And that trivializes it, because conventitional attacks between countrys and terrorist attacks are two very different things.


No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the media spreads the terror that is created.

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2000 plus people died in the attacks. We just hit the 2000 mark of soldiers dead, and that's with Afghanistan. Permit me to say you should have at least checked on that before you posted it.


I was referring to the # of IRAQI CIVILIANS, not AMERICAN MILITARY.
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Fact: Before the Europeans took over, Natives owned America.  I don't see the UN giving them their own country, rather than shoving them in Indian ghettosreservations with almost no monetary support.

You do realize a good number of Indian tribes are getting rich from casinos, right?

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Hey n00b, teh way your post was written, it implied that the Brits only had it after WW2.

Irrelevant.

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Fact: That's liek how many years ago? Yah, that's what I thought.

Irrelevant.

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No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the media spreads the terror that is created.

Okay, media spreads terror that is created. So how does that make a terrorist attack any more or less than what it is? I remind you that have been arguing terrorist attacks are only terrorist attacks if they get suffient media support (as in reporting).

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...The attacks you posted were small and fairly unpublicized, as I would have heard of them had they truly envoked terror.

No they wern't. They weren't huge like 9/11, but there was alot of reporting on them. I remmber asking my brother about how the Cole bombing would factor into the 2000 election. There wasn't mass hysteria, but it did get its fair amount of reporting. You just didn't know about it because either A) too young, or B) didn't care to look.
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Irrelevant.


Ok. Guess that means wire tapping is irrelevant too.

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Okay, media spreads terror that is created. So how does that make a terrorist attack any more or less than what it is? I remind you that have been arguing terrorist attacks are only terrorist attacks if they get suffient media support (as in reporting).


Answer to the question: It doesn't. What the media does is spread fear and hysteria. If it was not for the media, people would not be as afraid. Response to the rest of that statement: No one has been saying that terrorist attacks are only terrorist attacks if they get suffi[size=6]C[/size]ient media support. At least, I know [size=6]I[/size] haven't been.
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This is becoming a flamefest. Richie, Sentinal, calm it down, eh?
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No matter reason, this WAS against the law. Though, it would be rather pointless, if we gave a suspected terrorist a little peice of paper saying, "Yeah, we tapped your phone, jus lettin ya know." Then, we'll just get nothing terrorist related or some messed up talk in code. Bush did have it was in time of war deal, BUT, the people he was tapping were possibly terrorist related, NOT war related.

So, Bush needed a warrant which he did not get. Whether or not he presented it to the people he tapped, he didn't even have a warrant in the first place. I do agree with his decision, but he could've found a better way of doing this, and he did break the law.
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