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Topic Started: Jan 7 2006, 02:13 AM (2,104 Views)
Sentenal
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People won't use it just to stick it to the man?
Thats a benefit?

Look at Pyro's post. In Panama, weed is legal, and there isn't NEARLY as much attention drawn to it.
Wheres the benefit here?

Bold'ed, but I don't see any benefit there. When there is a benefit to something, society and/or life in general is improved. Give me a way where legalizing weed will do that.
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Many fewer cases of clinical depression, and a well-stimulated economy in the rolling paper and snack chip markets. Plus, we can export the excess to other countries and make a bundle there to boot!

How do you like them apples?
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Those are the same benefits as legalizing any drug...

It's a complete waste of time and effort. srysly, why bother with noobishness liek this? They need to filter noobs from 1337 places before they worry about marijuana.
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Jan 11 2006, 08:07 PM
Many fewer cases of clinical depression, and a well-stimulated economy in the rolling paper and snack chip markets. Plus, we can export the excess to other countries and make a bundle there to boot!

How do you like them apples?

Fewer cases of clinical depression? Give me a break! People smoking weed right now arn't doing it because they would be depressed otherwise.

And well-stimulated economy in rolling paper and snack chip... You got to be kidding me.

But I do have to give you more credit than Richie, since you at least try and give good benefits of it, even though the only one to be taken seriously would be your first reason, although faulty.
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Laharl: 48/2(9+3)=36
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Jan 11 2006, 07:39 PM
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Many fewer cases of clinical depression, and a well-stimulated economy in the rolling paper and snack chip markets. Plus, we can export the excess to other countries and make a bundle there to boot!

How do you like them apples?

Fewer cases of clinical depression? Give me a break! People smoking weed right now arn't doing it because they would be depressed otherwise.

And well-stimulated economy in rolling paper and snack chip... You got to be kidding me.

But I do have to give you more credit than Richie, since you at least try and give good benefits of it, even though the only one to be taken seriously would be your first reason, although faulty.

*sigh*

Someone needs to be educated on the uses and effects of marijuana.

What the bloody hell do you mean people aren't doing it because they would be depressed otherwise? I guarantee you most people doing marijuana do it to relax.

And I don't enjoy the crack, either, just because you apparently can't get my points through your head. Not understanding the benefit of marijuana not being that popular? How the hell can I possibly explain that to you? x_x;
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What the bloody hell do you mean people aren't doing it because they would be depressed otherwise? I guarantee you most people doing marijuana do it to relax.

Yes, your right, the only way to relax is to smoke weed. I'd argue that people who smoke weed get "depressed" because they are POT HEADS.

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And I don't enjoy the crack, either, just because you apparently can't get my points through your head. Not understanding the benefit of marijuana not being that popular? How the hell can I possibly explain that to you?

Your position is contradictory then! You want it to be more readily available, and hope that people stop using it. First, this is contradictory to your other point, that people do it because they are depressed, when here you imply that people do it because its illegal and they want to be rebellious. A much better way to get weed less popular is to kick up punishment for doing the stuff.

And if you bothered to give a good reason, I wouldn't make cracks.
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Jan 11 2006, 07:56 PM
Your position is contradictory then! You want it to be more readily available, and hope that people stop using it. First, this is contradictory to your other point, that people do it because they are depressed, when here you imply that people do it because its illegal and they want to be rebellious. A much better way to get weed less popular is to kick up punishment for doing the stuff.

And if you bothered to give a good reason, I wouldn't make cracks.

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Yes, your right, the only way to relax is to smoke weed. I'd argue that people who smoke weed get "depressed" because they are POT HEADS.

Controlled, occasional marijuana will not kill you, nor will it get you addicted to the feeling of being high. Why would they be depressed that they have an easy way to relax? Do you not understand the HISTORY of marijuana usage? It was used in religions as a method of spiritualy calmness, as a way to relax after business. The only reason it's attracting so much attention is because it's banned, which causes controversy from the start. Again, read Pyro's post.


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Your position is contradictory then!  You want it to be more readily available, and hope that people stop using it.  First, this is contradictory to your other point, that people do it because they are depressed, when here you imply that people do it because its illegal and they want to be rebellious.  A much better way to get weed less popular is to kick up punishment for doing the stuff.

And if you bothered to give a good reason, I wouldn't make cracks.


Again, you misunderstand shockingly. My stance is that making it legal will draw less attention to it, cause those who do it just to be rebels to have no reason, and generally reducing the attention of it in the criminal underworld, thus DEPLETING interest in it.

Yes, because punishment for doing drugs has worked with flying colors before. :rolleyes:
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Sentenal
Jan 12 2006, 12:39 AM
GIVE A BENIFIT. Wait, there are NONE.

The govermnet can control marijuana, meaning...

A] Goverment gains money from what WOULD be illegal marijuana. Therefore our foreign trade becomes better.

B] Our medical industry can cash in by selling weed a pharmacies for everyone's use, kind of like condoms.

C] People will most likely stop using Pot to do drugs, but instead to take of the edge, like a tall, ice cold beer.
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Let's not forget less tax money to pay do to rehab centers being less crowded and prisons being more empty.
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And fewer potheads behind bars means fewer of YOUR tax dollars going to supporting them.
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To be honest, I think equalizing crack cocaine and powder cocaine laws would be a much more important step, since those laws are just unfair. Anyway, on topic, particularly addressed to Sentenal: you keep asking Richie to name positives for legalizing marajuana, but what exactly is a positive to keeping it illegal the way we run things right now?

-Pot is in every way more dangerous than tobacco; since people generally smoke pot rolled in a cig. without a filler, you inhale more chemicals and get affected more than cigarettes affect you.
-However, this doesn't change the fact that laws against marijuana are all a big joke. You people act like keeping it illegal seriously stops people from taking it, but it doesn't; sure, a few people get put in jail, and for the most part they're back on the street smoking again in a few years. The laws do almost nothing. People talk about how bad marijuana is, how it leads to further drug abuse, but it doesn't change the fact that people are smoking seriously damaging stuff already.
-Legalizing marijuana could possibly reduce the gateway drug effect. Since you'd be buying from pharmacies, thanks to the likely higher supply they would carry, there'd be a reduction in contact with drug lords and the like, and less people would begin taking more serious drugs.

I never plan on smoking, but I simply don't see any effect that the laws have right now. Unless the government decides to make the war on drugs serious, we should quit on this minor point of it.

By the way, less than 20% of long term cigarette smokers develop cancer. Not that bad compared to the gateway drug effect of marijuana.

The best case scenario would be removing alcohol and tobacco as well IMO, but as you all admit that's unrealistic. However, keeping a law in place that does nothing to help.
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Crack actually DOES KILL. That is out of the question. As for pot, when legalized, chences are it will get a filler or they would just make hash form. We already discussed that removing the other two fail at life.
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Crack actually DOES KILL. That is out of the question. As for pot, when legalized, chences are it will get a filler or they would just make hash form. We already discussed that removing the other two fail at life.

You cannot read, congratulations. I did not say legalize crack. I said make smoking/possesion/sale of crack equivalent to doing so for powder cocaine, though apperently you don't know about that particular issue, and I'm not going to bother explaining with the internet ready for you to use to learn. It's ok you don't, but don't respond to a statement that didn't get made.

And Sentenal's position is that it's not right to legalize pot just because alcohol and tobacco are there, and yet simply because they've been accepted by culture we should allow those other things to continue to be legalized. Even though they do harm. This would be giving in to a part of culture that is obviously dangerous and unhealthy to the overall population simply because it would be hard to remove those things. It is as impossible to remove pot at this point, so why is that illegal? If alcohol and tobacco can be legal because a fair amount of our culture has accepted them, pot should be as well. It isn't going away at this point.
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Pot is only fused with a realtively small part of our culture, and we shouldn't let yet another harmful way to ruin your life become main stream. I'm all for making the penalty of smoking pot much more sever, to deter it. If the government would actually crack down and enforce its own laws.
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I think equalizing crack cocaine and powder cocaine laws would be a much more important step, since those laws are just unfair


Which I'm either guessing legal or jsut like Pot, which really isn't as strict.


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And as you said before and it's been proven, drugs are nearly impossible to crack down on. Look at Alcohol.
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