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God and Historical American Documents; Flamekettle topic.
Topic Started: Jan 24 2006, 10:52 PM (916 Views)
Soja
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Today in my sociology class, I got into an argument with three students when I brought up a California case about a school teacher getting pwned for invoking legitimate, historical U.S. documents "Declaration of Independence" and the various pamphlets accompanying it.

My point was thus: censorship of American history because it has "God" or anything invoking the divine in it just because it offends atheists is not only n00bish, but it is wrong and proving of the saying "History is written by the winners." What I didn't say to avoid a fistfight is that I think these atheists have extremely low tolerance levels for something that will be considered by most students, ultimately, a semantic (name of God). My main problem was that they were for the censorship of God's name in those documents, despite them being an indelible part of our history.

Quite odd seeing how the far-left nutjobs are also rabidly against the notion of censorship. Another case of liberal loonies contradicting themselves. *GiGgLe!1!*

Anyway; agree, dissent, discuss.
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What, they wanted to censor God from the Declaration of Independance? Thats crazy. If I ever meet someone like that, I don't even bother argueing, as they are apparently retarded, and/or hypocrital, and go staight at insulting their inteligence. What possible purpose could censoring words out of historical documents serve? They just don't like God, and don't like that our founding documents affirm him.
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This is just stupid.

God and religion are a major factor in the history of the world, and trying to censor that would be even stupider. There is no point of censoring something vital to the history of our country.
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Ah, my favorite ranting subject: Atheists.

And a new ally. The plot thickens!

Right, blah blah blah seperation of church and state blah blah blah Jefferson meant it the other way around, we've all been there. Seperation of Church and State means the Gov can't interfere with religious matters.

What next then, freedom of religion? Atheism is the polar opposite of religion. It's core values include spiting Christianity and trying to eliminate it from the face of the earth. Why on earth would that be a religion?

I'm starting a new belief system. A-Athiesm. I don't think atheists exist. No talking about them on TV or mentioning them in school, because that violates my religous beliefs!
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Erasing God from historical documents is stupid, even if it's in the government and not everyone is Christian. History is History. Whether God is in there or not doesn't really make a difference.

I'm just not sure I want to make God part of our future, that's all. That concerns me more.
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I'm atheist and I know religon has to do with most of the interesting stuff in history, why erase it :?
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I really don't label myself into any certain religion, but I certainly think that the cornerstone of our nation is that people have the right to endorse any religion they want. However, I've seen greater transformations than a government endorsing a religion to a government forcing a religion upon people. =.
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Wow... Just wow. ._.;



Everything about this country is that you can CHOOSE your religion wheter it be Catholic, jewish, or if you choose to be athiest and have no god. So they really shouldn't talk because they're lucky they can even choose not to beleive in a god and actually tell people they do not. =/
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1 word concerning the atheists who want to censor "god" from american history documents: GHEY!
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This country runs on a majority rule. However, there is a law stating that the many may not use their power to oppress the few. For example: people cannot vote to make blacks, Hispanics, Canadians, etc. second-class citizens. For any reason.

Is it "oppressive" to atheists to look at their money and see "In God We Trust"? Because, you know, they're trying to get that deleted or replaced as well (probably with something hilariously stupid like "In Providence We Trust.") Again, this is simply because it has "God" on it.

This country was founded with the popular belief that it was through God's will that the renegade settlers were able to break away from the mighty British Empire and establish their own fledgling nation. Since the word "God" has no real bearing on the government itself, it does not violate separation of Church and State.
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Well, they don't trust in God, so why should their money?!

Or something.

In all honesty, neither do I, but it's just text...
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look, lawyers are just bored, how long has under god been in our pledge of alligance, sense what the 1700's

i was taught "under god we trust"

and just cuz some stupid ass 13 year old kid in virginia or what ever said that in the constitution it said religion and law shall be seperate.


im sick of this crap
those ppl are just bored and need to find something to do honestly.

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without patroiticism, you lose the will to fight in the battle.

too fast of a drum, you march faster and faster, and you become weak.
too much patroiticism, and you go into a fury, losing the control in the battle.

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harken89
Jan 25 2006, 09:41 PM
look, lawyers are just bored, how long has under god been in our pledge of alligance, sense what the 1700's

i was taught "under god we trust"

and just cuz some stupid ass 13 year old kid in virginia or what ever said that in the constitution it said religion and law shall be seperate.


im sick of this crap
those ppl are just bored and need to find something to do honestly.

I'm really not going to even bother countering this.
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look, lawyers are just bored, how long has under god been in our pledge of alligance, sense what the 1700's

I think its been since the 1950s, or something, when we wanted to distiquish ourselves from the pagan Soviets. So God hasn't been in our pledge very long.
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Actually, to be completely fair and true to honesty, the Pledge of Allegiance has not been around that long.

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In fact, the Pledge is just barely over 100 years old. The words "Under God" were added to it in order to distinguish the U.S. from the atheistic Soviet Union, a psychological strategy really.

But yeah, 13 year-olds know nothing.
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