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Patriotism; More good or more bad?
Topic Started: Jan 30 2006, 03:01 AM (963 Views)
Crysta
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Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war
in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor,
for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword.

It both emboldens the blood,
just as it narrows the mind . . .

And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch
and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed,
the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry.

Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear
and blinded with patriotism,
will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so.

How do I know?
For this is what I have done.
And I am Caesar.

- William Shakespeare


Discuss. Do you agree or disagree? Why? Do you think this may be applicable in modern times? Do you think William Shakespeare sucks? Do you think he would be a Republican or a Democrat today? Do you think there are dire consequences when one puts complete faith in their nation and it's government? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop?
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It's a lot better than drafting an army. :huh:

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Are you impling that loving the country that gives you so many rights and freedoms, and to be willing to protect that country on behalf of your friends and family, is a bad thing?
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^agreed.
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Patriotism defines this country. But once you take it too far, you get things like the Patriot Act and "Freedom" Fries that are just plain stupid. If you're so patriotic that you think everyone who's against you is a wuss or an Anti-American Person, then you've tken it to a point of nationalism.

I don't mind Patriotism to rally or just being proud of your country, but I think some statements above prove why it is indeed a double-edged blade.

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Sentenal
Jan 30 2006, 12:54 PM
Are you impling that loving the country that gives you so many rights and freedoms, and to be willing to protect that country on behalf of your friends and family, is a bad thing?

Have you ever been in a mob or a gang before? A group infuriated at a common enemy or inspired with a common cause can often be a dangerous thing, as they get caught up in whatever cause they're in to stop and think.
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Jan 30 2006, 06:54 PM
Are you impling that loving the country that gives you so many rights and freedoms, and to be willing to protect that country on behalf of your friends and family, is a bad thing?

It's OK to be patriotic. But not to be blind about it.

It's like a child: you love your child unconditionally, and want to do everything you can for it. However, when a child misbehaves, you have to discipline it. Much like this country; constructive criticism of our ways is viewed as unpatriotic nowadays, and that's wrong.

I fought for America. I love America. But that doesn't put me above wanting to put America over my knee for a good spanking every now and then.
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I think that at least a tiny bit of patriotism is essential to being a productive member of society, but a little bit of the big P word goes a long way. I wholeheartedly agree that at a point, patriotism becomes blatant hatred for all things un-American, or disagreement with anything American, and we can't have that.
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Jan 30 2006, 05:08 PM
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Jan 30 2006, 12:54 PM
Are you impling that loving the country that gives you so many rights and freedoms, and to be willing to protect that country on behalf of your friends and family, is a bad thing?

Have you ever been in a mob or a gang before? A group infuriated at a common enemy or inspired with a common cause can often be a dangerous thing, as they get caught up in whatever cause they're in to stop and think.

Where was I talking about mob mentality?

Patriotism is loving your country, a country that gives you rights and freedoms that few match on the planet. Patriotism is also being willing to protect it, because its the country that gives you your rights and freedoms, and it is your home, the place where you grew up, where your family and friends (probably) reside.

Patriotism is not mob mentality.

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I fought for America. I love America. But that doesn't put me above wanting to put America over my knee for a good spanking every now and then.

I wouldn't question your patriotism, as you have fought for your country. There is nothing un-patriotic about debating ideas, or calling into question actions of the government you disagree with.

Its wanting whats best for your country, because of what I said in my first paragraph.
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Laharl: 48/2(9+3)=36
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Laharl: 1 cannot be used as a multiplier.
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Laharl: I wasn't good at math. That doesn't make me an idiot!
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Jan 30 2006, 06:35 PM
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Sentenal
Jan 30 2006, 12:54 PM
Are you impling that loving the country that gives you so many rights and freedoms, and to be willing to protect that country on behalf of your friends and family, is a bad thing?

Have you ever been in a mob or a gang before? A group infuriated at a common enemy or inspired with a common cause can often be a dangerous thing, as they get caught up in whatever cause they're in to stop and think.

Where was I talking about mob mentality?

Patriotism is loving your country, a country that gives you rights and freedoms that few match on the planet. Patriotism is also being willing to protect it, because its the country that gives you your rights and freedoms, and it is your home, the place where you grew up, where your family and friends (probably) reside.

Patriotism is not mob mentality.

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I fought for America. I love America. But that doesn't put me above wanting to put America over my knee for a good spanking every now and then.

I wouldn't question your patriotism, as you have fought for your country. There is nothing un-patriotic about debating ideas, or calling into question actions of the government you disagree with.

Feeling strongly about anything can go wrong if you don't have enough conciousness to tell when it's going too far.
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Richie
Jan 31 2006, 12:37 AM
Sentenal
Jan 30 2006, 06:35 PM
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Jan 30 2006, 05:08 PM
Sentenal
Jan 30 2006, 12:54 PM
Are you impling that loving the country that gives you so many rights and freedoms, and to be willing to protect that country on behalf of your friends and family, is a bad thing?

Have you ever been in a mob or a gang before? A group infuriated at a common enemy or inspired with a common cause can often be a dangerous thing, as they get caught up in whatever cause they're in to stop and think.

Where was I talking about mob mentality?

Patriotism is loving your country, a country that gives you rights and freedoms that few match on the planet. Patriotism is also being willing to protect it, because its the country that gives you your rights and freedoms, and it is your home, the place where you grew up, where your family and friends (probably) reside.

Patriotism is not mob mentality.

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I fought for America. I love America. But that doesn't put me above wanting to put America over my knee for a good spanking every now and then.

I wouldn't question your patriotism, as you have fought for your country. There is nothing un-patriotic about debating ideas, or calling into question actions of the government you disagree with.

Feeling strongly about anything can go wrong if you don't have enough conciousness to tell when it's going too far.

You are fully aware that Sentenal, in the quoted post, pretty much agreed with your idea :huh:

Patriotism is a good thing until taken to far. That's why I prefer Funky Fries instead of freedom fries. Then again I think the guy at McDonalds thinks I'm retarded.
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Jan 30 2006, 06:49 PM
Richie
Jan 31 2006, 12:37 AM
Sentenal
Jan 30 2006, 06:35 PM
Richie
Jan 30 2006, 05:08 PM
Sentenal
Jan 30 2006, 12:54 PM
Are you impling that loving the country that gives you so many rights and freedoms, and to be willing to protect that country on behalf of your friends and family, is a bad thing?

Have you ever been in a mob or a gang before? A group infuriated at a common enemy or inspired with a common cause can often be a dangerous thing, as they get caught up in whatever cause they're in to stop and think.

Where was I talking about mob mentality?

Patriotism is loving your country, a country that gives you rights and freedoms that few match on the planet. Patriotism is also being willing to protect it, because its the country that gives you your rights and freedoms, and it is your home, the place where you grew up, where your family and friends (probably) reside.

Patriotism is not mob mentality.

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I fought for America. I love America. But that doesn't put me above wanting to put America over my knee for a good spanking every now and then.

I wouldn't question your patriotism, as you have fought for your country. There is nothing un-patriotic about debating ideas, or calling into question actions of the government you disagree with.

Feeling strongly about anything can go wrong if you don't have enough conciousness to tell when it's going too far.

You are fully aware that Sentenal, in the quoted post, pretty much agreed with your idea :huh:

Patriotism is a good thing until taken to far. That's why I prefer Funky Fries instead of freedom fries. Then again I think the guy at McDonalds thinks I'm retarded.

I was responding to him saying that Patriotism isn't a mob mentality. =.
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Laharl: I wasn't good at math. That doesn't make me an idiot!
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Jan 30 2006, 06:54 PM
Are you impling that loving the country that gives you so many rights and freedoms, and to be willing to protect that country on behalf of your friends and family, is a bad thing?

No.

When you think criticism and disagreeing with your president is the mark of someone who is unpatriotic and it causes emotional distress on your behalf, then it is.
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I always give frying pans to female survivors in Dead Rising. It's really the only thing I'm confident they know how to use.
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The alternative is everyone hating their country. It works decently for North Ireland, but I'd prefer not to break out in civil war every Thursday. Never could get the hang of Thursdays.
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Please keep Christian bashing to a minimum. This is mainly the American South (and mainly Evangelical death cults), which is similar to Afghanistan under the Taliban.

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