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| Snake (1) vs. Zelos (16); VGCPC | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 10 2006, 04:57 PM (335 Views) | |
| Psiwri | Oct 10 2006, 09:04 PM Post #16 |
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Too Many Words
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Though I don't care a lot of Snake, I care less for Zelos. |
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| Yzarc | Oct 10 2006, 09:27 PM Post #17 |
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It's not Zelos' actual personality that I disliked...It's the lack thereof. They overplayed the pervert too much. He likes girls, lolz, but that's about it. Like how each character in almost all the FEs has ONE thing that he or she essentially IS. Ilyana eats too much but is deathly skinny. That's it. Sain is polite and loves women...That's it. Zelos, while is is a major character and, naturally, does have obvious storyline connections and depth, his actual peronality and actual character are extremely lacking. |
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| Eagle | Oct 10 2006, 09:33 PM Post #18 |
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My Ava>Yours! Hax0rdz!
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Zelos is too much of the anime pervarchitype character, and Snake has a mullet...=3 Snake FTW. |
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| Crysta | Oct 10 2006, 09:47 PM Post #19 |
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Zelos isn't a primary character, and while a strong secondary, isn't likely to get the leading role in a game. For a party member, he's very, very good. His actual personality and actual character is more in lieu with how most young men would probably be in that position. He enjoys the all the perks of being a nobleman and perhaps the single most important person on his side of the world, but it turns out he hates it and there's plenty of reason to hate it. His mother was killed in front of him for it. He was told he shouldn't have been born. He could have easily gone down the OMG ANGST MY LIEF SUX AND EVRY1 WIL KNOW, but he went to the other extreme, which is becoming exceedingly rare with all these anti-hero archtypes popping up. He's the comic relief, not the baggage. So step off, sir, before I keel you with my toxic fangirlism. His personality is not "lacking" in the least. He doesn't have to show you every shade. Comparing him to Ilyana and Sain is like comparing a first-grade doodle to a complete painting. |
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| Yzarc | Oct 11 2006, 09:07 PM Post #20 |
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Rather, a fourth grade "drawing" to a first grade doodle. He's not that much better. |
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| Crysta | Oct 11 2006, 09:53 PM Post #21 |
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Yeah. He is. He actually has a past, motivation, goal, and ending. |
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| Yzarc | Oct 11 2006, 10:35 PM Post #22 |
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And it's all dull and cliche. |
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| Kovu | Oct 11 2006, 10:37 PM Post #23 |
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Zidane was always entitled to 12 MOV!
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Name one part that's cliche, other than the "chosen" title. ~ Kovu |
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| Psiwri | Oct 11 2006, 10:38 PM Post #24 |
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Are you serious Kovu?... I'll let Yzzy do his work. |
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| Kovu | Oct 11 2006, 10:41 PM Post #25 |
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Zidane was always entitled to 12 MOV!
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Damned right I'm serious. Maybe I'll let Crysta do her's. ~ Kovu |
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| Yzarc | Oct 11 2006, 10:44 PM Post #26 |
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Like almost every character, he's faking a personality to coverup some deep emotions. It's the same with all the silent, rough characters with soft interiors...The exact same, except his rough exterior is cheery. He's cliche, not so much as far as video games are concerned, but as characters in general are concerned. Ever seen a teen movie? Any, it doesn't matter which one. He's the jock who gets all the chicks but is still missing something. It's the exact same, but now it's original since it's in a video game? |
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| Crysta | Oct 11 2006, 10:53 PM Post #27 |
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Like every other human? Seriously, do you reveal your true colors to EVERYONE? No, you don't, because you're embarassed about it, don't want to be taken advantage of, or you're not even aware of it yourself. That's why I like him. wuld u prefer a link laaaawl? |
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| Yzarc | Oct 11 2006, 11:12 PM Post #28 |
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I don't completely hide a portion of my identity, no. And most people don't. But characters in video games and movies tend to do so a lot. How 'bout some realistic characters, hm? What you have to recognize is that ToS is a game with a setting of a fantasy world, but the characters are characters from OUR world. That's why it doesn't SEEM like anyone's cliche in that game since they're all different from characters from OTHER games, but in comparison to characters in general, they're all old. Essentially, everyone has an extreme about their personality that the game pushes way too hard. There's no moderate personalities, as is actually common. Zelos is a horny bastard. Raine loves archeology. Genis is a Genous. Zelos' personality IS that he is horny. His story, relating to the plot, goes a bit further than that but it has nothing to do with who he is as a person. There aren't any other "quirks" about him. That's it. |
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| Crysta | Oct 11 2006, 11:31 PM Post #29 |
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Really now? Not one secret? He is realistic. Possibly one of the more realistic characters in this game. If you don't like him, fine, that's the price that comes with having an actual personality and backstory to cover it.
Having completely alien characters that non-fantasy, human characters cannot empathize with on some level usually doesn't work out too well.
I'd rather be a character that's different from other game characters than one who... isn't. Hey, I can probably take your RPG character and tag a stereotype to him, too. I think Tingle may be the only character, ever, that's 100% original and he's copying Peter Pan with that outfit!
Extreme personalities = more dynamic than boring people.
Actually, I've met very few truly moderate people. If anything they only appear moderate until you actually get to know them. It goes back to the whole "you don't show your true self to everyone" theory.
Not as horny as some, ironically. I think he purposely overplays it.
Um, no, he's a narcissist who likes women, gets women, but secretly struggles under the burden of being the Chosen One. He wants a simple life. The horny part is the veneer.
You obviously haven't done your playing. Or just can't get over the horny part.
I'd say that fragment has a lot to do with his character. Maybe you should actually read the site I gave? There's actually people who bother to analyze past the "hez just a horny pervert" part. |
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| Yzarc | Oct 12 2006, 12:01 AM Post #30 |
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OH! Ya got me. You're probably right...
I didn't say anything opposed to what you just said...Just that he IS different from most video game characters, but he, and most of the younger characters from the game, have personalities similar more to one of present day earth than the common fantasy world. It's an approach to take, and it's not necessarily good or bad. But I do think that emotions carry over and can be seen in fantasy characters just as well...You can't directly relate, but you can on an emotional level.
Yay, he's different from most characters in most RPGs, he's GOTTA be a good, solid, deep character, right?
My RPG character? Which one? I don't HAVE an RPG character.
Where do you get that not extreme = boring? I find realistic personalities more dynamic than over-the-top ones.
Point being, few people are absolutely extreme on certain matters. Every once in a while you'll find the perfect math kid who knows everything about math but nothing about anything else. Most people have many aspects to their personalities. Zelos has Misunderstanded+Horny. It's not that I can't get over him being horny...It's just that it seems the game designers can't. He has a backstory and a current story, but he's overall just: 1. disappointed that he's only liked for his Chosen-ness 2. compensates by getting laid quite frequently and that's about it. He's not dynamic, he's just a common character. It's not that I dislike him BECAUSE he likes women...It's that he goes over the top and, while it may be easy to say he does it for some deep, psychological reason, I don't think the designers had that in mind when every other thing he says is, in some way, hitting on some girl. He HAS to say something that's hitting on some girl because HE'S the pervert. It's funny, yeah! w00t! But it's not funny. That's the problem. Comic reliefs usually get some participation points...If they're funny. |
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