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Snake (1) vs. Zelos (16); VGCPC
Topic Started: Oct 10 2006, 04:57 PM (335 Views)
Psiwri
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Though I don't care a lot of Snake, I care less for Zelos.
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It's not Zelos' actual personality that I disliked...It's the lack thereof. They overplayed the pervert too much. He likes girls, lolz, but that's about it. Like how each character in almost all the FEs has ONE thing that he or she essentially IS. Ilyana eats too much but is deathly skinny. That's it. Sain is polite and loves women...That's it. Zelos, while is is a major character and, naturally, does have obvious storyline connections and depth, his actual peronality and actual character are extremely lacking.
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Zelos is too much of the anime pervarchitype character, and Snake has a mullet...=3 Snake FTW.
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Zelos, while is is a major character and, naturally, does have obvious storyline connections and depth, his actual peronality and actual character are extremely lacking.


Zelos isn't a primary character, and while a strong secondary, isn't likely to get the leading role in a game. For a party member, he's very, very good.

His actual personality and actual character is more in lieu with how most young men would probably be in that position. He enjoys the all the perks of being a nobleman and perhaps the single most important person on his side of the world, but it turns out he hates it and there's plenty of reason to hate it. His mother was killed in front of him for it. He was told he shouldn't have been born. He could have easily gone down the OMG ANGST MY LIEF SUX AND EVRY1 WIL KNOW, but he went to the other extreme, which is becoming exceedingly rare with all these anti-hero archtypes popping up. He's the comic relief, not the baggage.

So step off, sir, before I keel you with my toxic fangirlism. His personality is not "lacking" in the least. He doesn't have to show you every shade. Comparing him to Ilyana and Sain is like comparing a first-grade doodle to a complete painting.
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I always give frying pans to female survivors in Dead Rising. It's really the only thing I'm confident they know how to use.
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Crysta
Oct 10 2006, 09:47 PM
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Zelos, while is is a major character and, naturally, does have obvious storyline connections and depth, his actual peronality and actual character are extremely lacking.


Zelos isn't a primary character, and while a strong secondary, isn't likely to get the leading role in a game. For a party member, he's very, very good.

His actual personality and actual character is more in lieu with how most young men would probably be in that position. He enjoys the all the perks of being a nobleman and perhaps the single most important person on his side of the world, but it turns out he hates it and there's plenty of reason to hate it. His mother was killed in front of him for it. He was told he shouldn't have been born. He could have easily gone down the OMG ANGST MY LIEF SUX AND EVRY1 WIL KNOW, but he went to the other extreme, which is becoming exceedingly rare with all these anti-hero archtypes popping up. He's the comic relief, not the baggage.

So step off, sir, before I keel you with my toxic fangirlism. His personality is not "lacking" in the least. He doesn't have to show you every shade. Comparing him to Ilyana and Sain is like comparing a first-grade doodle to a complete painting.

Rather, a fourth grade "drawing" to a first grade doodle. He's not that much better.
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Crysta
Oct 10 2006, 09:47 PM
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Zelos, while is is a major character and, naturally, does have obvious storyline connections and depth, his actual peronality and actual character are extremely lacking.


Zelos isn't a primary character, and while a strong secondary, isn't likely to get the leading role in a game. For a party member, he's very, very good.

His actual personality and actual character is more in lieu with how most young men would probably be in that position. He enjoys the all the perks of being a nobleman and perhaps the single most important person on his side of the world, but it turns out he hates it and there's plenty of reason to hate it. His mother was killed in front of him for it. He was told he shouldn't have been born. He could have easily gone down the OMG ANGST MY LIEF SUX AND EVRY1 WIL KNOW, but he went to the other extreme, which is becoming exceedingly rare with all these anti-hero archtypes popping up. He's the comic relief, not the baggage.

So step off, sir, before I keel you with my toxic fangirlism. His personality is not "lacking" in the least. He doesn't have to show you every shade. Comparing him to Ilyana and Sain is like comparing a first-grade doodle to a complete painting.

Rather, a fourth grade "drawing" to a first grade doodle. He's not that much better.

Yeah. He is. He actually has a past, motivation, goal, and ending.
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I always give frying pans to female survivors in Dead Rising. It's really the only thing I'm confident they know how to use.
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And it's all dull and cliche.
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Yzarc Drowsnam
Oct 11 2006, 08:35 PM
And it's all dull and cliche.

Name one part that's cliche, other than the "chosen" title.

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Are you serious Kovu?...

I'll let Yzzy do his work.
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Zidane was always entitled to 12 MOV!

Ipsio
Oct 11 2006, 08:38 PM
Are you serious Kovu?...

I'll let Yzzy do his work.

Damned right I'm serious. Maybe I'll let Crysta do her's.

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Like almost every character, he's faking a personality to coverup some deep emotions. It's the same with all the silent, rough characters with soft interiors...The exact same, except his rough exterior is cheery. He's cliche, not so much as far as video games are concerned, but as characters in general are concerned. Ever seen a teen movie? Any, it doesn't matter which one. He's the jock who gets all the chicks but is still missing something. It's the exact same, but now it's original since it's in a video game?
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Like every other human?

Seriously, do you reveal your true colors to EVERYONE? No, you don't, because you're embarassed about it, don't want to be taken advantage of, or you're not even aware of it yourself.

That's why I like him.

wuld u prefer a link laaaawl?
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I don't completely hide a portion of my identity, no. And most people don't. But characters in video games and movies tend to do so a lot. How 'bout some realistic characters, hm?

What you have to recognize is that ToS is a game with a setting of a fantasy world, but the characters are characters from OUR world. That's why it doesn't SEEM like anyone's cliche in that game since they're all different from characters from OTHER games, but in comparison to characters in general, they're all old.

Essentially, everyone has an extreme about their personality that the game pushes way too hard. There's no moderate personalities, as is actually common. Zelos is a horny bastard. Raine loves archeology. Genis is a Genous.

Zelos' personality IS that he is horny. His story, relating to the plot, goes a bit further than that but it has nothing to do with who he is as a person. There aren't any other "quirks" about him. That's it.
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I don't completely hide a portion of my identity, no. And most people don't. But characters in video games and movies tend to do so a lot. How 'bout some realistic characters, hm?


Really now? Not one secret?

He is realistic. Possibly one of the more realistic characters in this game. If you don't like him, fine, that's the price that comes with having an actual personality and backstory to cover it.

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What you have to recognize is that ToS is a game with a setting of a fantasy world, but the characters are characters from OUR world.


Having completely alien characters that non-fantasy, human characters cannot empathize with on some level usually doesn't work out too well.

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That's why it doesn't SEEM like anyone's cliche in that game since they're all different from characters from OTHER games, but in comparison to characters in general, they're all old.


I'd rather be a character that's different from other game characters than one who... isn't.

Hey, I can probably take your RPG character and tag a stereotype to him, too.

I think Tingle may be the only character, ever, that's 100% original and he's copying Peter Pan with that outfit!

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Essentially, everyone has an extreme about their personality that the game pushes way too hard.


Extreme personalities = more dynamic than boring people.

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There's no moderate personalities, as is actually common.


Actually, I've met very few truly moderate people. If anything they only appear moderate until you actually get to know them. It goes back to the whole "you don't show your true self to everyone" theory.

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Zelos is a horny bastard.


Not as horny as some, ironically. I think he purposely overplays it.

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Zelos' personality IS that he is horny.


Um, no, he's a narcissist who likes women, gets women, but secretly struggles under the burden of being the Chosen One. He wants a simple life.

The horny part is the veneer.

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His story, relating to the plot, goes a bit further than that but it has nothing to do with who he is as a person.


You obviously haven't done your playing.

Or just can't get over the horny part.

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Zelos was born and raised in Meltokio, a large city in Tethe'alla that is home to the King, and where social status is everything. The areas in Meltokio are clearly marked by the wealth of its residents, or the lack of said wealth. Zelos though, being of the Chosen lineage, is very wealthy and his family's power is second only to the King. So growing up, Zelos had the best toys, the biggest house, went to all the fancy parties, and went to the most prestigious school in the country, the Imperial Research Academy in Sybak. Which was no problem for him, since he was considered a prodigy. In actuality, Zelos excelled only in math, but still managed to graduate at the top of his class. How? Zelos wasn't only clever; he was handsome. He used his charms to trick his "hunnies" into taking notes for him and giving him the answers to all his tests. ^^;

But why would the girls do that for him? Because he was Chosen, and that meant he was rich and powerful. And because he was also cute and charming, the girls flocked to him like birds of a feather. But Zelos learned soon enough that the girls that hung on his every word were more interested in being affiliated with the Great Chosen, then actually knowing him as a person. But it was only a matter of time before Zelos grew up and decided to take advantage of his title, and all the girls became known as his hunnies. Not to mention his house is *filled* with gifts from them. But an interesting thing I noticed is that most of the gifts seen lying around in his house.... are unopened.


I'd say that fragment has a lot to do with his character.

Maybe you should actually read the site I gave? There's actually people who bother to analyze past the "hez just a horny pervert" part.

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Possibly one of the more realistic characters in this game.

OH! Ya got me. You're probably right...

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Having completely alien characters that non-fantasy, human characters cannot empathize with on some level usually doesn't work out too well.

I didn't say anything opposed to what you just said...Just that he IS different from most video game characters, but he, and most of the younger characters from the game, have personalities similar more to one of present day earth than the common fantasy world. It's an approach to take, and it's not necessarily good or bad. But I do think that emotions carry over and can be seen in fantasy characters just as well...You can't directly relate, but you can on an emotional level.

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I'd rather be a character that's different from other game characters than one who... isn't.

Yay, he's different from most characters in most RPGs, he's GOTTA be a good, solid, deep character, right?

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Hey, I can probably take your RPG character and tag a stereotype to him, too.

My RPG character? Which one? I don't HAVE an RPG character.

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Extreme personalities = more dynamic than boring people.

Where do you get that not extreme = boring? I find realistic personalities more dynamic than over-the-top ones.

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Actually, I've met very few truly moderate people. If anything they only appear moderate until you actually get to know them. It goes back to the whole "you don't show your true self to everyone" theory.

Point being, few people are absolutely extreme on certain matters. Every once in a while you'll find the perfect math kid who knows everything about math but nothing about anything else. Most people have many aspects to their personalities. Zelos has Misunderstanded+Horny.

It's not that I can't get over him being horny...It's just that it seems the game designers can't. He has a backstory and a current story, but he's overall just:
1. disappointed that he's only liked for his Chosen-ness
2. compensates by getting laid quite frequently

and that's about it. He's not dynamic, he's just a common character. It's not that I dislike him BECAUSE he likes women...It's that he goes over the top and, while it may be easy to say he does it for some deep, psychological reason, I don't think the designers had that in mind when every other thing he says is, in some way, hitting on some girl. He HAS to say something that's hitting on some girl because HE'S the pervert. It's funny, yeah! w00t!

But it's not funny. That's the problem. Comic reliefs usually get some participation points...If they're funny.
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