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Topic Started: Nov 23 2006, 12:15 AM (2,278 Views)
Inui
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Ok? My point is that Seth can frontline from start to finish. No other units will be 20/1 when he is, they'll be that level when Seth is 20/5 or so, and his superior growths keep him good.

Fact: Seth can frontline from the very start to the very end. No other Jeigan/Oifaye can do this.

@Simon: I agree with that. The gap between Marcus and Oifayes is a LOT smaller than the gap between Marcus and Jeigans, so I consider him more of an Oifaye.
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The fact that he's ??/01 from the start of the game doesn't matter one damn bit. He isn't needed, and he steals Exp, so you shouldn't use him until your other units start to promote.

Fact: Seth does not have as good stats as a good share of other units, this, along with the fact that he does not have earlygame value to save him, hurts a lot.

Or are you saying you actually find Seth to be needed in the earlygame?
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FE 8 so fucking easy and terrible, no single unit is needed at any point of the entire game. Big deal.

Seth can frontline from Prologue to Final. No other unit in FE history has ever been able to frontline from the VERY start to the VERY end. He can. :o

There is no point in actually raising units in FE 8 when the game is pathetic and crappy. Any random team RAPES the entire game with little trouble.
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Jan 4 2007, 03:49 PM
@Simon: I agree with that. The gap between Marcus and Oifayes is a LOT smaller than the gap between Marcus and Jeigans, so I consider him more of an Oifaye.

Ah, I see. That makes sense.

I call him a Joifaye. It has both terms, and using Marcus gives a look of raw joy to little kids' faces until they get to the end and realize that they can't beat the game even with Marcus ;>_>
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Seth/Titania/Oifaye are only slightly better than Marcus, while Marcus is drastically better than any actual Jeigan.
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Jan 4 2007, 04:32 PM
There's no way I won the FE 7 tournament, with Sentenal and Merk both entered, using a Jeigan.

If Marcus is a Jeigan, then everyone I beat sucks.  Period.

Marcus is a Jeigan, look at his growths and look at him in comparison to the fully grown cavaliers, he's much worse, statistically, than all of the paladins with exception to Isadora. That's not a setback for him because you don't need to be the best unit to be a good unit, but it still proves my point.

Not to mention FE6 Marcus is modeled to look almost exactly like Jeigan (Purple Armor, White Hair) and FE7 Marcus is only a small deal older. FE7 Marcus totals 250% growths, while FE6 Marcus has 185%. Granted this is a rather large gap, but next to Seth and Titania, true Oifayes, Seth has 330% and Titania has 390% (365% minus Magic). Marcus is blown out by a good 80% by Seth, and Seth has another 60% to catch up to Titania.

I can't find Oifaye's growths, but those would more accurately label Marcus. As for using Jeigan's overall growths, 40% isn't a strong comparison to Marcus, FE6 OR FE7.

I just don't see how he could be an Oifaye when you have obvious proof next to REAL Oifayes. 80% is a HUGE gap.
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Reaver, it's already been determined that Marcus is not a Jeigan. FE 7 Marcus starts with 1 less HP, 6 more STR(!!!), 1 more SKL, 2 less LUK, and 1 more DEF than his FE 6 counterpart, and has much better growths, making him MUCH better. Marcus is closer to an Oifaye than he is to a Jeigan. FE 7 Marcus completely crushes Jeigan, Alan, Misen, Zealot, and FE 6 Marcus. He wins out over Eyvel and Dagda pretty easily, too. Growths are meaningless to point out since averages reflect both them and bases together.

[size=7]Oifayes[/size]

Oifaye
HP: 55.0
STR: 23.0
MAG: 9.7
SKL: 23.9
SPD: 20.5
LUK: 14.0
DEF: 21.4
RES: 9.5
A Swords, B Lances
Pursuit, Critical

Tiamat
HP: 48.2
STR: 20.5
MAG: 8.7
SKL: 24.1
SPD: 23.5
LUK: 19.6
DEF: 18.6
RES: 15.6
Axes, Lances
Counter

Seth
HP: 47.1
STR: 23.2
SKL: 21.5
SPD: 20.5
LUK: 17.7
DEF: 18.6
RES: 13.7
Lances, Swords

Chinon
HP: 46.3
STR: 21.3
MAG: 9.8
SKL: 28.1
SPD: 25.3
LUK:15.6
DEF: 18.5
RES: 13.6
Bows, 15% Critical Boost


[size=7]Jeigans[/size]

Eyvel (all caps are 20)
HP: 30.4
STR: 10.2
MAG/RES: 4.8
SKL: 19.1
SPD: 20.0
LUK: 12.0
DEF: 7.4
Swords
Continue

Dagda (all caps are 20)
HP: 45.1
STR: 15.4
MAG/RES: 1.7
SKL: 12.4
SPD: 10.4
LUK: 6.2
DEF: 11.4
Axes, Bows
Duel

Marcus FE 6
HP: 43.4
STR: 13.7
SKL: 17.8
SPD: 15.7
LUK: 13.8
DEF: 11.8
RES: 11.8
Lances, Swords, Axes

Zealot
HP: 49.3
STR: 14.7
SKL: 15.8
SPD: 16.8
LUK: 7.8
DEF: 16.7
RES: 9.8
Lances, Swords, Axes

Alan (all caps are 20)
HP: 25.9
STR: 9.9
SKL: 9.9
SPD: 12.9
LUK: 4.0
DEF: 11.9
RES: 6.6
Lances, Swords

Jeigan (all caps are 20)
HP: 21.9
STR: 8.9
SKL: 11.9
SPD: 9.9
LUK: 1.0
DEF: 9.0
RES: 6.6
Lances, Swords


And now for FE 7 Marcus.

Marcus
HP: 43.3
STR: 20.7
SKL: 24.2
SPD: 15.7
LUK: 13.7
DEF: 12.8
RES: 14.6
Lances, Swords, Axes

Now, which category would you put him in?
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My vote is Kent, being as how he's best at holding the line without a huge support column, an essential skill in my Blitzkrieg strategy.

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FE 8 so fucking easy and terrible, no single unit is needed at any point of the entire game. Big deal.

Just 'cause it's easy doesnt mean it's terrible. In fact, I thought I was really good. They introduced a lot of new novel ideas into the game, and weren't afraid to change some long set FE traditions. I respect that.
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Jan 4 2007, 09:25 PM
Just 'cause it's easy doesnt mean it's terrible. In fact, I thought I was really good. They introduced a lot of new novel ideas into the game, and weren't afraid to change some long set FE traditions. I respect that.

Dude, no, they didn't. Not at all. Not even in the slightest.

Have you played any FEs before 7? FE 8 sucks ass. It didn't do anything new, gameplay or storywise.
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Jan 4 2007, 06:35 PM
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Just 'cause it's easy doesnt mean it's terrible. In fact, I thought I was really good. They introduced a lot of new novel ideas into the game, and weren't afraid to change some long set FE traditions. I respect that.

Dude, no, they didn't. Not at all. Not even in the slightest.

Have you played any FEs before 7? FE 8 sucks ass. It didn't do anything new, gameplay or storywise.

Maybe I should make my sarcasm more clear next time... My sense of humor is incredibly dry...
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^ Short sweet and straight to the point, eh?

( I feel left out cus I only played FE4,6,7,8,9) :(
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Dude, I've only played FE6-9, and I haven't even finished NM on FE6, so don't feel left out. ^_^
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Reaver, it's already been determined that Marcus is not a Jeigan. FE 7 Marcus starts with 1 less HP, 6 more STR(!!!), 1 more SKL, 2 less LUK, and 1 more DEF than his FE 6 counterpart, and has much better growths, making him MUCH better. Marcus is closer to an Oifaye than he is to a Jeigan. FE 7 Marcus completely crushes Jeigan, Alan, Misen, Zealot, and FE 6 Marcus. He wins out over Eyvel and Dagda pretty easily, too. Growths are meaningless to point out since averages reflect both them and bases together.
Good, Marcus has better bases than A Jeigan. Big fucking deal, most characters totally crush Jeigan's 40% growths, not to mention FE6 Marcus is terrible. Marcus from FE6 totally whups Jeigan too and is closer to Oifaye, therefore FE6 Marcus is an Oifaye. It doesn't make sense to take the WORST and set him as the standard, especially when he has 40% overall growths. It doesn't make sense... at all. Isadora is closer to Oifaye, techinally, than she is to Jeigan, therefore she's an Oifaye too!

Not to mention, when looking at other characters, it's not hard to be better than Jeigan or any of these units. I'll use Isadora.

Isadora
HP: 42.3
STR: 18.7
SKL: 18.6
SPD: 24.4
DEF: 11.8
RES: 10.8
LUK: 18.6

She's better than the units you listed, what does being better than other Jeigans prove again? Not to mention all the other Oifayes CRUSH Marcus.
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No, FE 6 Marcus is not closer to Oifaye level than Jeigan level. His stats are far closer to Jeigans than Oifayes.

Isadora's stats don't matter. Everything is better than a Jeigan, even Matthew.

Isadora isn't even in the Jeigan/Oifaye archetype, she's a just a normal prepromo.
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