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| Kovu | Nov 24 2006, 03:02 PM Post #46 |
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Zidane was always entitled to 12 MOV!
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Other than the Isadora raping Marcus part I agree with Yzarc, and the poll. ~ Kovu |
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| Inui | Nov 24 2006, 04:35 PM Post #47 |
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Power of Flower
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Marcus > Lowen > Sain > Kent > Isadora. Usefulness order. If you disagree, you're wrong. >_>; |
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| C475_1337 | Nov 24 2006, 04:40 PM Post #48 |
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One serious d00d
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Sain. Kent is a very close second, Lowen trails behind, and then Marcus and Isadora are still at the starting line. The idea of Marcus being the 3rd best unit in the game is patently ridiculous, BTW. Once everyone else promotes he is completely inferior(many units match or surpass him even before they promote), and any unit who is inferior for a long stretch of time like that, cannot claim such a high spot on the tier list. Heath > Sain is also hogwash. Heath is a pain to raise, he helps Exp Rating but probably hurts Combat and Tactics(or, if he doesn't damage those Ratings, then it takes a lot longer for him to catch up, which is probably even worse for him), and even after he catches up to Sain, is marginally if at all better(especially after considering Sain's Axes & Supports). |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Inui | Nov 24 2006, 04:47 PM Post #49 |
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For ranked play, Marcus > every unit besides Hector and Oswin. Every single list given to me, besides your own, had Marcus in the top 3. If Marcus wasn't actually very useful, I don't think I could have gone undefeated in the FE 7 tournament. Marcus is only inferior around chapter 22 or so, unless you abuse other units and neglect Marcus. I proved this in my debate with Sentenal. For the rest of the time, he performs NECESSARY TASKS OTHER UNITS CANNOT COMPLETE WITHOUT BEING POWERLEVELED.
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| C475_1337 | Nov 24 2006, 04:53 PM Post #50 |
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Well good for him. But from Chapter 22 on is like half the game. That's way too much time when he fails for him to get 3rd place. Raven, Oswin, Hector, these are the top 3 in my eyes. Behind them are people like Lyn, Pent, Kent/Sain, who are always good. Not Marcus. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Inui | Nov 24 2006, 04:58 PM Post #51 |
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You're probably not as educated as me with this game. I've played this one nearly 300 times, while you've done nearly the same for FE 8. You're definitely my superior in FE 8, but I've done far too much analysis on this game to be wrong like that. And the other people that made the list always had him in the top 3. I've argued for Marcus since I first joined the Fire Emblem community. But I am tired of doing so after going through the trouble of winning a whole tournament with him. Reference my debates in the FE 7 Debate board to see why Marcus is top 3. It's mostly because he completes needed tasks no other units have any chance in hell of being able to do, and he's a solid fighter for half of the game. What can Kent/Sain do that no other unit has any chance of ever being able to do without severe powerleveling? Nothing. What can Marcus do that nobody else can? The list is huge, and I used it in my debates. |
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| Eaichu | Nov 24 2006, 05:39 PM Post #52 |
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Marcus earns major brownie points for making an S rank HHM much easier than it currently stands. Granted, you won't be using him into the final chapters(Whereas you would with Sain and Kent), but the amount of good that he can do for your team before then is still highly recommendable. On normal play with ranks disregarded, Marcus is just sort of a utility that you can use if you're put in a cinch. I believe the power rankings were based on who does the most good for your team on an S-Rank HHM play. Given that factor, Marcus is still highly recommended because if you don't use him, you'll be struggling with rankings later on, whereas if you utilize his abilities from the getgo, you can put yourself in a safe position. I agree he isn't very powerful. Kent, Sain and Lowen make him useless as a fighter, pretty much. |
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| Merk | Nov 24 2006, 05:45 PM Post #53 |
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ザワザワ
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Sent/Kain moreso than Lowen. [size=-3]Yes, I did that on purpose. >_>;[/size] |
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| C475_1337 | Nov 24 2006, 07:57 PM Post #54 |
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In the HHM S Ranked Playthrough, Marcus gets a lot more valuable, no doubt. Many units just won't make the team at all under these circumstances, while Marcus helps early on. I'd still question him being ranked #3, though, since people like Raven get a lot more valuable as well. Keeping in mind that the HHM S Ranked Playthrough is only one of many ways to play the game, though, I cannot see Marcus as the overall 3rd best unit in the game. I don't think that's what you were saying, but nonetheless. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Phoenix Wright | Nov 24 2006, 08:21 PM Post #55 |
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that moron that forgot this is s11
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I wouldn't pull the superior card. >_> And...wait, I put Marcus in the top 3? I recall 12. Now to check... EDIT: Huh, I put him at the top. *shrug* I have no idea why; he's certainly in the top 20...oh well. |
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| Kovu | Nov 25 2006, 03:01 AM Post #56 |
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Zidane was always entitled to 12 MOV!
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Figred as much. Sain was in last when I made the quoted post. ~ Kovu |
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| Yzarc | Nov 25 2006, 01:29 PM Post #57 |
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That's because you can pretty easily achieve S-Rank without touching Raven (though he does make the later stages easier) but it's nearly impossible without Marcus. |
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| C475_1337 | Nov 25 2006, 04:07 PM Post #58 |
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I don't think S Ranking without using Marcus is impossible, either(I know people who have at least claim to have done it). Marcus makes things a hell of a lot easier, for sure......and so do people like Raven. Both units are going to be used(for some stretch of time, at least), unless the player is intentionally handicapping himself; the question is who's helping more in the big picture. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Eaichu | Nov 25 2006, 05:31 PM Post #59 |
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You have Marcus doing an excellent amount of support throughout the entire earlygame, and then Raven picks up the midgame later... I think it's pretty even. Marcus can be used for a long time until he becomes pretty useless(When you start to promote your other Paladins.) |
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| C475_1337 | Nov 25 2006, 07:09 PM Post #60 |
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I'd expect the Cavaliers to mostly eliminate Marcus's usefulness well before they promote. Sain, for example, matches Marcus's base Str and Spd by 13/0. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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