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Prefered Paladin
Topic Started: Nov 23 2006, 12:15 AM (2,281 Views)
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Yzarc Drowsnam
Dec 25 2006, 09:22 PM
High Defense, but...I mean, who cares? So what? Tactically speaking, I can't see that great of a use for Lowen's "tanking abilities." I consider it more important to one round everything in your way than to be able to take a hit. Ends the chapters faster.

I find that tanking is the key to making chapters end faster. The quickest way to clear a group of enemies is to send a durable character into the middle of them (with a 1-2 range weapon for archers and casters), pull all other units out of their range, and watch the enemies kill themselves attacking the tank. S&K can run into trouble trying that in more situations than Lowen - a modest defense advantage makes a big difference, since instead of being hit for six or seven per peon enemy, Lowen only takes two and three. Multiply that by five enemies and it's the difference between living off vulnaries and dying noisily. There are evade-based tanks that can do it effectively, but only a couple can handle a 1-2 range weapon without killing SPD from weight penalties.
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I find that tanking is the key to making chapters end faster. The quickest way to clear a group of enemies is to send a durable character into the middle of them (with a 1-2 range weapon for archers and casters), pull all other units out of their range, and watch the enemies kill themselves attacking the tank.


That is the problem when using Lowen. Very frequently the enemies will not be suiciding because Lowen can't kill them. Before promotion the defense gap between him and Kent/Sain is small enough that the red/green Cavs are safe in almost any situation that Lowen is, and are accomplishing much more with their counterattacks.

After promotion Lowen's 40% Def growth really begins to show itself, but good defense is no longer anything special. Even Guy has good concrete defense in the lategame.
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My two cents.

Sain = Lowen > Kent > Marcus > Isadora

(This is based on stats alone. When taking ranks into consideration, Marcus gets bumped up.)

I would say that either Sain or Lowen are the best Paladins in this game (again, that's going by stats alone). Sain offers good offense while Lowen offers good defense, blah, blah. You've heard it all before.

Kent is nothing special compared to them. Sure he has the highest skill, but skill isn't that important, especially when you have the entire weapon triangle at your fingertips. When you look at Kent's other stats, you'll notice that they arent that much better than those of his contemporaries. His strength is not much higher than Lowen's and his speed isn't much better than Sain's. He just isn't that great compared to the other two cavs.
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that moron that forgot this is s11

Kent has better offense than Lowen could ever hope for coupled with good Defense anyway. ;>>
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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rofl Chris
 
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Mario123v2
Dec 30 2006, 10:44 AM
Kent has better offense than Lowen could ever hope for coupled with good Defense anyway. ;>>

Kent has good defenses?

His DEF stat is average, his RES is meh, and his LUK is abysmal.
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that moron that forgot this is s11

Replace "good" with "passing," then. Decent HP and passing Defense and Speed offset bad Res and Luck.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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rofl Chris
 
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you know what
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someone
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once said to be
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me*
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d(-_-)b
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Well, to be fair to Lowen, he does have a significant DEF lead over Kent throughout the entire game, it looks like. Their evade isn't that much different(Lowen has alot more LUK than Kent to effectively balance it out) and the best of Lowen's supports can get him atleast 1 DEF and full evade, while Kent will settle for less(Possibly a couple more points of DEF, but much less evade), but he still loses by a mile and a half offensively so I still think Kent is better.
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I voted Sain. Just give him a couple of Secret books to boost his poor Skill and he's good to go. Strong, decently fast and good hit percentage (given that you give him one or two secret books).
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I never really actually use uh, any of the paladins in this game. At least I wouldn't with a serious play through. :valter: At least just marcus until i didn't need him.
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So, in a serious playthrough, you don't use arguably the best class in FE history.

Ok.
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TheRoadtoDawn


Marcus is by far my favorite character in the game, I like using him, just because.

And I like Lowen because I don't like it when you can kill in one round. <_<
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TheRoadtoDawn
Jan 3 2007, 02:22 AM
Marcus is by far my favorite character in the game, I like using him, just because.

And I like Lowen because I don't like it when you can kill in one round. <_<

Do you mean "Be killed in one round"

Because if you do, uh...all the cavaliers have decent Dodge, Defense and HP.

If you don't...None of them can 1HKO. Unless its maxed Str Sain with a Silver axe against a slow magic user. :P
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Sain can OHKO some of the weaker unpromoted enemies pretty frequently, especially after promotion and/or outside of HHM.
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hmmm

But why would anyone dislike the ability to 1HKO?

Saves weopon use, makes you smile, send that unit out there to kill that enemy unit with that nasty Killer weopon...

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It's much nicer than when Hector criticals a knight with one HP left.
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