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Teh Axe Men
Topic Started: Dec 16 2006, 11:33 AM (1,610 Views)
Inui
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Lowen, subpar? He's unique. He's a tank. How many tanks are there for him to compete with? Oswin, Hector, the useless Wallace, and Heath. He has a level advantage over Heath and beats him in durability for most of the game, and he'll be trumping Hector until Hector gets his late promotion. Oswin is the only unit that's a better tank. Wow, a whole 1 unit beats Lowen out in what he's supposed to do. He's so subpar, no?

Lowen and Marcus support VERY quickly with each other, and can keep up with each other for the entire game. Lowen will be busy tanking while Harken is busy nuking, and Eliwood supports faster with Hector and Lyn and gets more out of it since they move at the same pace for almost the entire game.

Marcus's poor defenses(except his amazing RES) will begin to harm him around chapter 24 or so, by the time his A support with Lowen will be in play, along with a B with someone else(Harken, Eliwood, Isadora, Merlinus, whichever works for you). Lowen can do the tanking for Marcus, and Marcus can do the nuking until his poor SPD kills his offense, which really isn't until the lategame since enemies are very slow and often weighed down. Marcus will always have impressive SKL, and his STR is not bad, and he has access to a huge arsenal of weapons, so...

A support triangle like MarcusEliwoodLowen is pretty damn good for the earlygame, and when Eliwood promotes, it's godly for the lategame. You can replace Eliwood with Harken if you want better midgame power over earlygame power.

If you choose to support Marcus and use him, he beats out Hawkeye.

Supported Marcus > Hawkeye.
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Lowen, subpar? He's unique. He's a tank. How many tanks are there for him to compete with? Oswin, Hector, the useless Wallace, and Heath. He has a level advantage over Heath and beats him in durability for most of the game, and he'll be trumping Hector until Hector gets his late promotion. Oswin is the only unit that's a better tank. Wow, a whole 1 unit beats Lowen out in what he's supposed to do. He's so subpar, no?


Better defense than Hector? Are you kidding? 20/0 Hector has the same Def as 20/4 Lowen; counting Supports, then Lowen doesn’t catch up until he’s at least 20/9.

Anyway. Discounting all the garbage units, Lowen’s offense is not that far away from game worst. His defense, on the other hand, is nowhere near game best(in addition to the several units who beat him in raw Hp/Def, there are many dodge tanks who can keep up with him). For the earlygame, I wouldn't say Lowen's defense even qualifies as "tank" level(only Oswin, Hector and Marcus claim that award early on). By the time Lowen does qualify as a tank, that position is nothing special, since even Guy has good physical durability lategame. Lowen's defense certainly does not impress me as much as his offense disappoints me.

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Lowen and Marcus support VERY quickly with each other, and can keep up with each other for the entire game. Lowen will be busy tanking while Harken is busy nuking, and Eliwood supports faster with Hector and Lyn and gets more out of it since they move at the same pace for almost the entire game.


All of these are frontline units.

B Eliwood is faster for Lowen than A Marcus.

Marcus is not there at all after the earlygame.

Eliwood does not Support faster with Lyn; she joins later and her Support takes 5 more turns to reach a B. He also does not get more out of Lyn Support than Lowen Support, as Lowen’s Affinity is better than Lyn’s. Lyn herself does not need Eliwood Support(Florina, Rath, Kent and Hector are all there).

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along with a B with someone else(Harken, Eliwood, Isadora, Merlinus, whichever works for you).


Isadora or Merlinus? lol.

By the time Harken joins, Marcus isn’t even being fielded often enough to build any Support with him.

Eliwood would much rather Support with Hector/Fiora/Lyn/Lowen/Ninian, since they’re present for the entire game once they join, while Marcus stops being fielded about halfway through.

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A support triangle like MarcusEliwoodLowen is pretty damn good for the earlygame, and when Eliwood promotes, it's godly for the lategame.


Godly for the lategame? It has Marcus in it. Lategame Marcus is utterly pathetic, Supports or no.

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Supported Marcus > Hawkeye.


Assuming A Lowen for Marcus(which I don’t even think he should have, but just for the sake of argument):

That’s +1 Atk for Marcus, which isn’t saving his offense.

It’s +1 Def/+15 Avo. With that, Marcus wins defense against Swords and Axes, but still loses against Lances, Bows, and Magic.

And then there’s the paragraph I posted about inherent stats > Support stats. Yeah, I’m thinkin’ that even with a Lowen Support that he won’t have, Marcus clearly loses.
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Oswin?
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?_? Oswin? What's he got to do with anything?
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Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day.

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He can use an axe, therefore, he can be on this list of awsome.
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He doesn't have them before promotion and only gets them at E Rank after. Ozzy be a Lance Man, not a Axe Man. If pplz who only have them as a secondary weapon upon promotion qualify, then Raven > All.
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Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day.

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SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia.
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He doesn't have them before promotion and only gets them at E Rank after. Ozzy be a Lance Man, not a Axe Man. If pplz who only have them as a secondary weapon upon promotion qualify, then Raven > All.

Heh, but it tends to be really easy for Raven to get quick weapon levels in Axes, considering how often he doubles and how often he fights. Oswin, however, does not increase weapon levels nearly as fast.
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True that Raven doubles and Oswin doesn't, but Ozzy can use Steel Axe for double WEXP. Raven doesn't want to do that if he can help it; he's so damn fast that he can usually double even with the huge Spd cut, but -12 Avo isn't very fun.
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Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day.

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SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia.
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Bust out the devil axe for a few turns on some unpromoted units and any newbie axe user is set, just keep em at high health :P
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Indeed. Raising axe level is significantly easier than the other weapons, until that DA runs out.
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I have never seen Oswin double and until now, I've never seen Raven not double. Stupid Final Chapter and it's stupid enemies. XP
I don't have Oswin anywhere near my lineup for battles. Raven usually is because I have bad experiences with Lance users. They ALWAYS die on me. Always.
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Try out the pegasi. High Avoid means they don't get hit, and they can't die if they can't be hit.

Plus, they're as fast if not faster than Raven; they're not quite as strong, but they can pack quite a punch with Lances. If you don't mind a little extra training and spending some Gold, Farina's Strength is close to Raven's anyway.
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Fraulein Holls
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rofl Chris
 
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I don't mind putting time, energy and money into training. I managed to promote Florina. She was doing pretty well too.
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Farina will require a little more effort and is not advised for ranking. >_>

But if you're not doing ranked, take her for a spin. Her stats are win.
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Fraulein Holls
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Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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rofl Chris
 
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Sure thing! I'll try anything with this game.
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