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Marcus: Jeigan or Oifaye?
Topic Started: Jan 4 2007, 09:43 PM (880 Views)
Inui
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Marcus
HP: 43.3
STR: 20.7
SKL: 24.2
SPD: 15.7
LUK: 13.7
DEF: 12.8
RES: 14.6
Lances, Swords, Axes



[size=7]Oifayes[/size]

Oifaye
HP: 55.0
STR: 23.0
MAG: 9.7
SKL: 23.9
SPD: 20.5
LUK: 14.0
DEF: 21.4
RES: 9.5
A Swords, B Lances
Pursuit, Critical

Tiamat
HP: 48.2
STR: 20.5
MAG: 8.7
SKL: 24.1
SPD: 23.5
LUK: 19.6
DEF: 18.6
RES: 15.6
Axes, Lances
Counter

Seth
HP: 47.1
STR: 23.2
SKL: 21.5
SPD: 20.5
LUK: 17.7
DEF: 18.6
RES: 13.7
Lances, Swords

Chinon
HP: 46.3
STR: 21.3
MAG: 9.8
SKL: 28.1
SPD: 25.3
LUK:15.6
DEF: 18.5
RES: 13.6
Bows, 15% Critical Boost


[size=7]Jeigans[/size]

Eyvel (all caps are 20)
HP: 30.4
STR: 10.2
MAG/RES: 4.8
SKL: 19.1
SPD: 20.0
LUK: 12.0
DEF: 7.4
Swords
Continue

Dagda (all caps are 20)
HP: 45.1
STR: 15.4
MAG/RES: 1.7
SKL: 12.4
SPD: 10.4
LUK: 6.2
DEF: 11.4
Axes, Bows
Duel

Marcus FE 6
HP: 43.4
STR: 13.7
SKL: 17.8
SPD: 15.7
LUK: 13.8
DEF: 11.8
RES: 11.8
Lances, Swords, Axes

Zealot
HP: 49.3
STR: 14.7
SKL: 15.8
SPD: 16.8
LUK: 7.8
DEF: 16.7
RES: 9.8
Lances, Swords, Axes

Alan (all caps are 20)
HP: 25.9
STR: 9.9
SKL: 9.9
SPD: 12.9
LUK: 4.0
DEF: 11.9
RES: 6.5
Lances, Swords

Jeigan (all caps are 20)
HP: 21.9
STR: 8.9
SKL: 11.9
SPD: 9.9
LUK: 1.0
DEF: 9.0
RES: 6.6
Lances, Swords
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hes inbetween. Hes a jeigfaye!
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Zealot is in his own class of überness.
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Jeigan. His STR and SKL are the only stats he has that compare to the "Oifayes". He's the best Jeigan, to be fair.
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Mamoru Takamura
Jan 4 2007, 09:50 PM
Jeigan. His STR and SKL are the only stats he has that compare to the "Oifayes". He's the best Jeigan, to be fair.

How about RES?

Considering his STR/SKL/RES completely blow the STR/SKL/RES of any Jeigan completely away, I'm more inclined to call Marcus an Oifaye. He wins in every stat against the other Jeigans, besides a few random exceptions like Eyvel's SPD and Zealot's DEF. He'd certainly easily crush any of them in a fight.

Edit: He has the second highest RES and first highest SKL(discounting the non-paladin Chinon whose position on the list is arguable, like Dagda's and Eyvel's) on the entire list, actually.
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I only consider FE6 Marcus and Zealot as the Jeigans, as 20 caps make a different scale, thus harded to compare stuff to. That said, you're correct.
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Mamoru Takamura
Jan 4 2007, 10:03 PM
I only consider FE6 Marcus and Zealot as the Jeigans, as 20 caps make a different scale, thus harded to compare stuff to. That said, you're correct.

Even with the 20 caps taken into account, Marcus rapes them. Go to FEA and look at the abysmal growths of those 20 cap units.
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I dunno. I'd say something inbetween, as well. He's markedly better than the Jeigans but markedly worse than the Oifayes.
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I agree with CATS. He's pretty useful (for a jeigan) but not quite at the level of Oifaye. Why do we need this Oifaye archetype anyways? I'm just fine calling every earlygame utility unit a jeigan...

*does not want to start 10 page debate on this*
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I tend to do that too, just call 'em all Jeigans.
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I say he's in between .____.
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Jan 4 2007, 09:25 PM
I agree with CATS. He's pretty useful (for a jeigan) but not quite at the level of Oifaye. Why do we need this Oifaye archetype anyways? I'm just fine calling every earlygame utility unit a jeigan...

*does not want to start 10 page debate on this*

Yeah, what CATS said. Calling someone an Oifaye is just a way of saying "Jeigan that doesn't suck balls lategame" imo.
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Jeigan.

I mean come on now. It's painfully obvious his FE6 incarnation was based on Jeigan. In my opinion, that doesn't change just because he's twenty years younger.

Furthermore, I don't think stats are a good way to determine who was archetyped off of who. Example: If FE3 was re-made, and IS gave Jeigan some decent stats, would you call him an Oifaye? No, because Jeigan was created first and therefore cannot be based on someone who was created later. It. Don't. Work. Like. That.
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I don't believe in Oifayes. They're all just Jeigans, but some are better than others.
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Jan 5 2007, 12:20 AM
Jeigan.

I mean come on now. It's painfully obvious his FE6 incarnation was based on Jeigan. In my opinion, that doesn't change just because he's twenty years younger.

Furthermore, I don't think stats are a good way to determine who was archetyped off of who. Example: If FE3 was re-made, and IS gave Jeigan some decent stats, would you call him an Oifaye? No, because Jeigan was created first and therefore cannot be based on someone who was created later. It. Don't. Work. Like. That.

Not talking about the other stuff that isn't statistics.

I'm talking about his placement based solely on statistics.

Whether people "believe" in Oifayes or not is meaningless. It's an actual FE Archetype listed at tons of FE information sites, and even Wikipedia.
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