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Marcus: Jeigan or Oifaye?
Topic Started: Jan 4 2007, 09:43 PM (882 Views)
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Here's how it'll fall.

Marcus will say Marcus is godly.

Everyone else will agree on some points and disagree on others.

Then Marcus will bring up his success with Marcus in the debates and you all can gtfo. :Lunesta:

Personally, I'm leaning more towards Oifaye.
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It doesn't really have much to do with that.

He's statistically much better than any Jeigans, but statistically inferior to any Oifayes. Where does he actually belong?
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In between. Duh. D:
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So Marcus is essentially in his own archetype?

Hot, imo.
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Jan 5 2007, 01:18 AM
It doesn't really have much to do with that.

He's statistically much better than any Jeigans, but statistically inferior to any Oifayes. Where does he actually belong?

Well, in comparison to other Jeigans, directly statistically. His endgame stats are among the worst of your entire team's, though, in FE7. I don't know much about actual Jeigan, though.

All I'm saying is that you can't compare directly with characters of other games. You have to compare how they hold up relative to the rest of your team. And then compare THAT to the characters of other games.
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All but a few archtypes fail. Fact. Wiki's former page about them failed. Fact. It is incredibly stupid people tried to make an archtype out of every single FE1 unit.

There is no Oifaiye archetype, Oifaye was a Jeigan, but a good one. Same for Marcus.
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All but a few archtypes fail. Fact. Wiki's former page about them failed. Fact. It is incredibly stupid people tried to make an archtype out of every single FE1 unit.

There is no Oifaiye archetype, Oifaye was a Jeigan, but a good one. Same for Marcus.

Exactly.

And if Wiki could be used as an argument, we could all say McCartney is real. :3
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Getting back on topic, I still say Joifaye.
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I'm leaning towards Oifaye. FE7 Marcus is still decent at the late game, unlike the Jeigans mentioned in the first post (Eyvel, FE6 Marcus, Zealot, Dagda, Alan and Jeigan)

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Another thing about this, archetypes should not be based purely around stats/classes. They should be hommages to the original characters. Kain/Abel as the calm/aggressive cavalier pair that are closest friends, Jeigan as the paladin tutor of the Lord.

I mean, just look at what people are saying. Erk is a Maric because he's an early mage, and.. and...
Raven is an Oguma because he's a mercenary, and...and...
It's pathetic.

Marcus/Oifaye/Titania/seth are all Jeigans. They are paladins who are tutors to the lord. Being crappy has nothing to do with it, at all. It's just based on the game they're in. In FE1/6 prepromotes are generally bad, while in 4/7/8/9, prepromotes are units worth using.

And that's it.
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Whether people "believe" in Oifayes or not is meaningless. It's an actual FE Archetype listed at tons of FE information sites, and even Wikipedia.


It is not an actual archetype. It is a fan-made name for a phenomenon sighted by fans which they found to be important enough to be named. Besides, if you must use archtypes, FE6 Marcus is the only one. An Archetype is meant to be a hommage to an original character. I hardly see how a blonde, female swordmaster is a hommage to Jeigan. Or even Alan. A paladin that joins in the first chapter, has stats acceptable for the type of game but complete crap averages and is an old man. And even so, it's not completely true. FE6 Marcus still pwns the enemies in the first chapter, whereas Jeigan does not.

EDIT: Damn, beaten. And like Jeffer said, stats have hardly anything to do with it. But if you must bring them into it, Marcus from FE6 is the only one.
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Jeigan pwns first chapter enemies.

Eyvel is a mentor/tutor to Leaf. :richie:

This topic wasn't made to spark debates about archetypes themselves.

The two archetypes, Jeigan and Oifaye. Which does FE 7 Marcus belong in, or at least which one is he closer to?

Stating Oifaye archetype doesn't really exist or debating archetypes themselves = worthless to the topic at hand.
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Well. If the archetype doesn't exist. You can't really have any kind of discussion which centers on it.
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What you said isn't really true.

Debating whether or not someone is one thing or another can't really be done when one thing doesn't really exist. It's like discussing whether or not Erk is a Maric or a Hugh archetype.

That having been said, I'd lean more to Oifaye. Contrary to most Jeigan units, Marcus is still a strong unit at the end of the game, though behind in stats compared to other units.

FE7 Marcus, that is.
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Eyvel hardly is a Jeigan. The tutor thing works out, but she's not a paladin, and no Jeigan dissapears for most of the game. None of the Jeigans were threatening like she is, either. They didn't have children too. The first person who call Dagdar a Jeigan is getting slapped.

There also is no Oifaiye archetype. If you are trying to say that Marucs is equalish to Oifaiye's growths, I'm inclined to agree, though he's still outclassed, much like Oifaiye.

But at the end of the day, Marcus is still a Jeigan. You don't change archetypes between game. The man's armor is purple for crying out loud.
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