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Topic Started: Jan 6 2007, 02:00 PM (1,190 Views)
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Good. He's slightly above average.

EDIT: Like Sanger suggested, I'd remove Barth. Generals in this game aren't too good.

Also, don't be afraid to use more than 10 units. There's plenty of EXP to go around. I'd add Alan and Percival.
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SilverBiospark
Jan 6 2007, 09:47 PM
How is my Roy doing so far?

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I just killed the boss of Chapter 2, Rude. Unlike in Chapter 1, Roy actually stood a chance here, killing Fighters in one round.

He's good. If his Spd keeps growing, he'll get great avoid. After all, he does have awesome Luck.
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Has there ever been a decent version of the Ward/Dorcas archetype in an FE game, a foot unit with really bad speed and defense but high strength and HP? I think a successful version would have to have extremely high skill and strength, or always crit, such that he could dependably OHKO junk enemies. Getting DA'd as a mediocre defense unit is a huge, disproportionate weakness that demands special compensatory power for the character. The Dorcas/Ward versions suck because their skill is just decent, they have to use the least accurate weapons in the game before promotion, and their strength isn't even that great - they just have above average growth and high caps.

Lilina is the only quick support for Gonzales, giving him a half-accuracy and a full crit. She's OK for blowing away slow, low-res enemies. Clarine and Lugh are such no-brainers that she might be one anima user too many, though. Ray, who I guess is competing for the same not-as-good-as-Lugh-and-Clarine third guiding ring with Lilina, Ellen, Saul and the funds rating, has terrible avoid but doesn't come at a low level nor does he have to jockey with Gonzales, Shin and Fir for level-up kills.
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What? Most of that was just nonsense...
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Uh, the Lilina and Ward/Dorcas paragraphs are supposed to be independent, if that clears anything up.
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If Ward is like Dorcas, then is Lot like Bartre? If he is, I might use him.
I'm probably going to try and use Alan, too.

On a side note, wow! I spend a lot of time on Nintendo's NSider forums, and there it takes a couple days to get this many replies!
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Alright fine, I'll counter it...

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Has there ever been a decent version of the Ward/Dorcas archetype in an FE game, a foot unit with really bad speed and defense but high strength and HP? I think a successful version would have to have extremely high skill and strength, or always crit, such that he could dependably OHKO junk enemies. Getting DA'd as a mediocre defense unit is a huge, disproportionate weakness that demands special compensatory power for the character. The Dorcas/Ward versions suck because their skill is just decent, they have to use the least accurate weapons in the game before promotion, and their strength isn't even that great - they just have above average growth and high caps.


Some units suck, some units rock. Get over it, or at least try to suggest realistic changes... Anyway, those people are likely meant to make newbies discard the other (and better) Fighter due to this one having higher bases, a mini-Jeigan, I suppose you could call it.

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Lilina is the only quick support for Gonzales, giving him a half-accuracy and a full crit. She's OK for blowing away slow, low-res enemies. Clarine and Lugh are such no-brainers that she might be one anima user too many, though. Ray, who I guess is competing for the same not-as-good-as-Lugh-and-Clarine third guiding ring with Lilina, Ellen, Saul and the funds rating, has terrible avoid but doesn't come at a low level nor does he have to jockey with Gonzales, Shin and Fir for level-up kills.


Lilina sucks. Gonzales, Lugh, Clarine, rocks. I don't even understand what you're trying to say in that paragraph...






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SilverBiospark
Jan 6 2007, 04:33 PM
If Ward is like Dorcas, then is Lot like Bartre? If he is, I might use him.
I'm probably going to try and use Alan, too.

On a side note, wow! I spend a lot of time on Nintendo's NSider forums, and there it takes a couple days to get this many replies!

Not exactly. Bartre has better Strength than Lott and their Speed is pretty similar. Lott has much better endgame Defence, though. So basically, Lott is Bartre minus Strength plus Defence.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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I was saying that Lugh and Clarine are obviously the best main game magic users, and that picking between Ray, Ellen, Saul, Lilina, or saving the third guiding ring for funds is the real choice. To that end, a point in favor of Lilina is that she's a good support for Gonzales. Then I gave some points against Lilina, that she's a pain to level up during a time when Shin, Gonzales and Fir might be in your party soaking up easy kills since they also come in underlevelled.

As for the Ward/Dorcas thing, I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering if there has ever been a useful version of that archetype in an FE game, since I'm not familiar with all of them.
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Jan 6 2007, 10:40 PM
SilverBiospark
Jan 6 2007, 04:33 PM
If Ward is like Dorcas, then is Lot like Bartre? If he is, I might use him.
I'm probably going to try and use Alan, too.

On a side note, wow! I spend a lot of time on Nintendo's NSider forums, and there it takes a couple days to get this many replies!

Not exactly. Bartre has better Strength than Lott and their Speed is pretty similar. Lott has much better endgame Defence, though. So basically, Lott is Bartre minus Strength plus Defence.

That's also not a good thing......
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SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia.
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Jan 6 2007, 10:44 PM
I was saying that Lugh and Clarine are obviously the best main game magic users, and that picking between Ray, Ellen, Saul, Lilina, or saving the third guiding ring for funds is the real choice. To that end, a point in favor of Lilina is that she's a good support for Gonzales. Then I gave some points against Lilina, that she's a pain to level up during a time when Shin, Gonzales and Fir might be in your party soaking up easy kills since they also come in underlevelled.

As for the Ward/Dorcas thing, I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering if there has ever been a useful version of that archetype in an FE game, since I'm not familiar with all of them.

Lilina sucks, so does Ellen and Saul. Ray is easily worth an Guiding Ring, Gonzales helps your Exp rating, and contributes to your combat rating.

So does Shin. They don't soak up ''easy kills'. They're strong enough to fight the main bulk of the force along with the rest of your team.
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@CATS: I wasn't calling it a good thing when I said that, only clarifying that Lott =/= Bartre necessarily.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
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Lott is unique, in the sense that he starts as the best Fighter, and remains it. In the GBA FE's at least... >_>
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Yet more questions!

I was thinking of having a support triangle between these characters:

Alan, Lance, and Roy
Ray, Chad, and Lugh
Dieck, Rutger, and Clarine

The only problem is that I don't think I'll be able to have anyone else (Like Miledy or Barth) support.

Also, can Merlinus support, like in FE7?
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I can't comment on FEs1-5, but Lott IIRC is the best Fighter in Fuuin (although I'm sure there's some Warrior prepromo I'm forgetting that ownz him...Geese, was it, or is he a Pirate?), yeah. Geitz is the best in FE7 though Dorcas starts as the best; Bartre eclipses him, but by the time Bartre totally eclipses Dorcas, Geitz joins and eclipses both. In FE8 Garcia starts out better but Ross winds up a little bit better by the end. In FE9...well, it ain't a GBA game, but it still fits the bill, since Boyd's your only Fighter. ;>_>

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Allen, Lance, and Roy is an excellent triangle. Have Allen get A Lance in that one; normally the main Lord should get supported, but Allen and Lance promote earlier than Roy and thus will need a support longer since they'll be fighting longer.

Dieck, Rutger, and Clarine is another excellent triangle. I dunno who should get the A support with Clarine, but Clarine should be the one who's fully supported, since she becomes an evasive monster with supports (something like triple-digit avoid O_O). Rutger might want the A for a critical boost, I dunno.

I can't comment on the other triangle because I don't know much about the units in it. I do know that since Chad (Thief, right?) doesn't promote and Lugh and Ray have a fast support they should get the A. I think Lugh and Ray are pretty good units, but IIRC Chad ain't that good. Best Thief, perhaps, but Thieves don't promote, so the brothers should get the A for the same reason Allen and Lance get their A.
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I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
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you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
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when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
Chris says:
wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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